It’s funny how Jones tried to price himself out the fight

I don't understand the business model.

It seems idiotic to let fighters win the belt and the hold you for ransom every fight.

You'd think they could figure out a better way. Something like the NFL does, entire you sign a 1 year deal, or a 5-fight deal, where you fight wherever and whenever they tell you to until the contract expires.

And if you get injured they just pause your contract until you're healthy and fight again.

The only time a fighter should be able to hold out and negotiate is when their contact is up.
I completely agree. They essentially do that for the low ranked fighters and when Conor blew in suddenly headliners created a negotiable pay structure.
The more the UFC bends to fighter demands the loftier the ppv buy prices get to make the fighters and the shareholders happy.
 
Did the UFC make Jon an offer 7 months ago?
Why does the person holding the UFC title need an offer to fight the person who holds the Interim title? Jon is obligated to fight Tom Aspinall and has openly said he will not fight Tom Aspinall.
 
No bud. Ngannou wanted to put hands on Jon Jones 100%

He was not afraid of him one iota and even laughed at him and called him fat during a broadcast. Jon was terrified of Francis - as soon as Ngannou left Jones moved up within the week. You have to believe he was giving Dana the means to low ball Ngannou in negotiations, offering him guarantees if Ngannou left
Its well known that Francis wanted no parts of that Jones smoke after witnessing his performance against Reyes and ran out of the company.

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Well sure he did, he could have taken him down and submitted him, GNP to a TKO or won a decision. Keep in mind, that's coming from someone that bet on Francis to win by KO vs Jones.

Anyhow, Jon had no issues fighting either guy. He fought Gane, he would have fought Francis if he accepted the fight.

And I am for Francis leaving and taking the deal with Boxing and PFL. He made the right call IMO

Jon wanted no part of Francis. Everyone on earth wanted the fight apart from one man. He’s hell bent on maintaining his phoney record even though he has a loss to Matt Hammil already, so while Jon is expecting those in the future to look at his record completely empirically with no context, he already has a loss on his record, so he’s not trying to protect anything anyway. He should have took the risks like a real goat would. He should have been defiant in the face of his old age, but he never showed up, because his career is built on steroids and cheating.
 
You can't pretend to know what an organization as irrational and/or untrustworthy as the UFC would do in a hypothetical situation, especially considering the irrational decisions they've been making in this situation.
They have been constant with fighters that refuse to take fights, i guess with the exceptions of Mcgregor and now Jones, but with Mcgregor it was never about money, or at least Jones opened with that excuse, now the version that they actually met his money demands is running around, what are they waiting for? Trash him, strip him and move on without him, he doesnt want to fight, and when he fights he isnt selling Mcgregor numbers anyway, solid yes, but not at that level, and this isnt Jones hate, i like him, but it is what it is, he isnt fighting and i have no idea why the UFC hasnt stripped/trashed him if he didnt took $30million, thats Canelo money.

PS: I dont believe for a second they actually went to him with $30million.
 
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He wants to retire "undefeated".

He's not fighting anyone that can actually beat him. Either washed old guys like Stipe or one dimensional strikes like Gane and Alex.
 
Jon wanted no part of Francis. Everyone on earth wanted the fight apart from one man. He’s hell bent on maintaining his phoney record even though he has a loss to Matt Hammil already, so while Jon is expecting those in the future to look at his record completely empirically with no context, he already has a loss on his record, so he’s not trying to protect anything anyway. He should have took the risks like a real goat would. He should have been defiant in the face of his old age, but he never showed up, because his career is built on steroids and cheating.

With that said....explain this to me then.....

1. Nov 2022 it's announced through MMAJunkine and many other media outlets that Jon Jones will be making his HW debut on March 5th 2023 at UFC 285 and the targeted opponent is Francis Ngannou.

2. On January 14th, 2023 it is made official that Jon Jones is fighting for the HW title on March 5th, 2023 at UFC 285 vs Cyril Gane. Same time they announce Francis is being stripped and leaving the UFC.

3. On Jan 17th, 2023 on the Ariel Helhwani podcast Francis Ngnannou comes on and mentions that the UFC has been in talks with him in December and January to come to terms on a new deal. Francis reveals that the UFC matchmakers had a call with him on Tuesday Jan 10th and formally offered Francis the Jones fight at UFC 285 as part of a 3 fight contract. This was 4 days before announcing Francis is how stripped and leaving the UFC and Jones is fighting Gane.

4. UFC 285 happens on March 5th, 2023, Jon Jones fights on the very event he was booked two months prior and the very event that Francis Ngannou was offered to fight him.

So with all that said above, where exactly does Jones want no part of Ngnannou?? I mean it was announced months prior he's fighting at UFC 285 and they intent was Jones vs Ngannou. Then Ngannou is formally offered the fight to which Jones has already agreed. Jones fights on the very event he was booked for and Ngannou was offered. Where exaclty is this on Jones for the fight not happening?

Seems more like every intent was on Jones behalf to fight him, and Francis just declined the fight and went to do other things.

He declined the deal.
 
No bud. Ngannou wanted to put hands on Jon Jones 100%

He was not afraid of him one iota and even laughed at him and called him fat during a broadcast. Jon was terrified of Francis - as soon as Ngannou left Jones moved up within the week. You have to believe he was giving Dana the means to low ball Ngannou in negotiations, offering him guarantees if Ngannou left

Wasn't there an interview of Ngannou on Ariel saying that they actually offered him 8M or something "around" that but he wanted some sort of health insurance and to keep getting paid the same after the Jones fight?
 
They have been constant with fighters that refuse to take fights, i guess with the exceptions of Mcgregor and now Jones, but with Mcgregor it was never about money, or at least Jones opened with that excuse, now the version that they actually met his money demands is running around, what are they waiting for? Trash him, strip him and move on without, he doesnt want to fight, and when he fights he isnt selling Mcgregor numbers anyway, solid yes, but not at that level, and this isnt Jones hate, i like him, but it is what it is, he isnt fighting and i have no idea why the UFC hasnt stripped/trashed him if he didnt took $30million, thats Canelo money.
I get what you're saying, but it sounds like you're very close to agreeing with my point. They've done so much crazy shit for Jones' benefit this far, more than they've ever done for anyone else, that we can't confidently conclude anything about what's going on behind the scenes. They're well outside what any of us finds logical.
 
In general I'm not quick to call someone a duck but it's pretty undeniable at this point. The UFC met his over the top demands and he still said no. If he wants to be champion then he needs to fight the number one contender, or if he is not available whoever the next in line would be.

And really this nonsense does damage to whatever is left of his legacy. If he wanted to avoid Tom he should have just retired early on, but now no matter what he does it looks like he chickened out.
 
With that said....explain this to me then.....

1. Nov 2022 it's announced through MMAJunkine and many other media outlets that Jon Jones will be making his HW debut on March 5th 2023 at UFC 285 and the targeted opponent is Francis Ngannou.

2. On January 14th, 2023 it is made official that Jon Jones is fighting for the HW title on March 5th, 2023 at UFC 285 vs Cyril Gane. Same time they announce Francis is being stripped and leaving the UFC.

3. On Jan 17th, 2023 on the Ariel Helhwani podcast Francis Ngnannou comes on and mentions that the UFC has been in talks with him in December and January to come to terms on a new deal. Francis reveals that the UFC matchmakers had a call with him on Tuesday Jan 10th and formally offered Francis the Jones fight at UFC 285 as part of a 3 fight contract. This was 4 days before announcing Francis is how stripped and leaving the UFC and Jones is fighting Gane.

4. UFC 285 happens on March 5th, 2023, Jon Jones fights on the very event he was booked two months prior and the very event that Francis Ngannou was offered to fight him.

So with all that said above, where exactly does Jones want no part of Ngnannou?? I mean it was announced months prior he's fighting at UFC 285 and they intent was Jones vs Ngannou. Then Ngannou is formally offered the fight to which Jones has already agreed. Jones fights on the very event he was booked for and Ngannou was offered. Where exaclty is this on Jones for the fight not happening?

Seems more like every intent was on Jones behalf to fight him, and Francis just declined the fight and went to do other things.

He declined the deal.
You have no reason to think that the UFC was actually trying to keep him in the UFC. If they wanted to build Jones up as champion (which they clearly did, given the insane shit they've done since then), it would be no big deal for them to push Francis out of the UFC with offers he wouldn't accept while pretending they were trying to arrange a fight between him and Jon.
 
Well, there is a difference in saying you're moving up and actually being booked for a dated event and then following through and fighting on that event. Jon was booked and followed through, so no, he did not move up the instance Francis left.

And to your point about the fight being demanded for years. While that is true, the fight actually only had a small window to happen before it was officially offered. There was a window of like 6 months before both guys were out for all of 2022.

Jon was not afraid to fight Francis by any means. I mean, he agreed to the fight and was ready to go for UFC 285. He ended up fighting Gane instead since Francis declined the fight. He fought Gane, he'd fight Francis. There isn't much difference, both are elite HWs. That's the biggest issue I have with the critics against Jon here, the guy ended up fighting at HW for the title just like he said he would.

I think you missed the part where Ngannou, by this time, had already made it very clear he was not going to resign with the UFC and was just waiting for (I believe) the UFC matching clause to expire so he could go sign with the PFL. Jon didn't agree to a fight at HW until Francis made it clear he was not going to resign.
 
In general I'm not quick to call someone a duck but it's pretty undeniable at this point. The UFC met his over the top demands and he still said no. If he wants to be champion then he needs to fight the number one contender, or if he is not available whoever the next in line would be.

And really this nonsense does damage to whatever is left of his legacy. If he wanted to avoid Tom he should have just retired early on, but now no matter what he does it looks like he chickened out.

If he fights him (actually fights him, not signs and then "gets injured" and cancels or something) I do think the "duck" narrative goes away. Especially if it's MSG in the fall. He can (truthfully or not) say that was where he wanted it all along, etc. Keep in mind I'm among the most critical of how he's handled this situation. As of now he's ducking HARD. But I think it's untrue that he can't rewrite that. And honestly at this point it might actually be a better look for him taking the fight EVEN IF he goes in and gets steamrolled. Then give a gracious speech about passing the torch, it's Tom's time, etc. It would be damage control but the reality is that people WANT a redemption story. Think of how many celebrities with bad reputations and sketchy past behavior have worked their way into the public's good graces. It's possible, if unlikely.
 
With that said....explain this to me then.....

1. Nov 2022 it's announced through MMAJunkine and many other media outlets that Jon Jones will be making his HW debut on March 5th 2023 at UFC 285 and the targeted opponent is Francis Ngannou.

2. On January 14th, 2023 it is made official that Jon Jones is fighting for the HW title on March 5th, 2023 at UFC 285 vs Cyril Gane. Same time they announce Francis is being stripped and leaving the UFC.

3. On Jan 17th, 2023 on the Ariel Helhwani podcast Francis Ngnannou comes on and mentions that the UFC has been in talks with him in December and January to come to terms on a new deal. Francis reveals that the UFC matchmakers had a call with him on Tuesday Jan 10th and formally offered Francis the Jones fight at UFC 285 as part of a 3 fight contract. This was 4 days before announcing Francis is how stripped and leaving the UFC and Jones is fighting Gane.

4. UFC 285 happens on March 5th, 2023, Jon Jones fights on the very event he was booked two months prior and the very event that Francis Ngannou was offered to fight him.

So with all that said above, where exactly does Jones want no part of Ngnannou?? I mean it was announced months prior he's fighting at UFC 285 and they intent was Jones vs Ngannou. Then Ngannou is formally offered the fight to which Jones has already agreed. Jones fights on the very event he was booked for and Ngannou was offered. Where exaclty is this on Jones for the fight not happening?

Seems more like every intent was on Jones behalf to fight him, and Francis just declined the fight and went to do other things.

He declined the deal.

I’m not doing homework. I remember what happened. Jon avoided the fight altogether, whether that’s because of fear or contractual disputes is the actual debate.
 
With that said....explain this to me then.....

1. Nov 2022 it's announced through MMAJunkine and many other media outlets that Jon Jones will be making his HW debut on March 5th 2023 at UFC 285 and the targeted opponent is Francis Ngannou.

2. On January 14th, 2023 it is made official that Jon Jones is fighting for the HW title on March 5th, 2023 at UFC 285 vs Cyril Gane. Same time they announce Francis is being stripped and leaving the UFC.

3. On Jan 17th, 2023 on the Ariel Helhwani podcast Francis Ngnannou comes on and mentions that the UFC has been in talks with him in December and January to come to terms on a new deal. Francis reveals that the UFC matchmakers had a call with him on Tuesday Jan 10th and formally offered Francis the Jones fight at UFC 285 as part of a 3 fight contract. This was 4 days before announcing Francis is how stripped and leaving the UFC and Jones is fighting Gane.

4. UFC 285 happens on March 5th, 2023, Jon Jones fights on the very event he was booked two months prior and the very event that Francis Ngannou was offered to fight him.

So with all that said above, where exactly does Jones want no part of Ngnannou?? I mean it was announced months prior he's fighting at UFC 285 and they intent was Jones vs Ngannou. Then Ngannou is formally offered the fight to which Jones has already agreed. Jones fights on the very event he was booked for and Ngannou was offered. Where exaclty is this on Jones for the fight not happening?

Seems more like every intent was on Jones behalf to fight him, and Francis just declined the fight and went to do other things.

He declined the deal.
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I’m not doing homework. I remember what happened. Jon avoided the fight altogether, whether that’s because of fear or contractual disputes is the actual debate.
Just say you concede, he is right. About the match up between Jon Jones and Francis Ngannou in an MMA fight has sparked intense debate within the MMA community, driven by their contrasting styles and dominance in the UFC. Although the fight never materialized due to contractual disputes, Ngannou’s exit from the UFC, and promotional barriers, many analysts, fighters, and fans believe Jon Jones would hold the edge. Jones, widely regarded as one of the greatest MMA fighters ever, possesses an exceptional fight IQ and a versatile skill set that allows him to adapt to any opponent’s strengths and exploit their weaknesses. Against Ngannou, known for his devastating knockout power, Jones would likely employ a strategic game plan to avoid direct exchanges, utilizing his diverse arsenal of striking, wrestling, clinch work, and submissions to control the fight’s pace and location. His ability to adapt has been proven against elite opponents like Daniel Cormier, Alexander Gustafsson, Dominick Reyes, and Stipe Miocic, where he tailored his approach to secure victories, such as his dominant performance against Ciryl Gane at UFC 285, suggesting he could handle Ngannou’s power by keeping the fight at range or on the ground.

A key factor in Jones’ favor is his superior wrestling and grappling, areas where Ngannou has historically shown vulnerability. While Ngannou has improved his takedown defense, as seen in his rematch against Miocic and his fight with Gane, Jones’ wrestling pedigree and grappling expertise are unmatched. He has consistently used takedowns to dominate elite fighters, like his third-round finish of Miocic at UFC 309. Analysts like Chael Sonnen and Daniel Cormier have argued that Jones would likely take Ngannou down and control him on the ground, where Ngannou’s power is less effective. Sonnen has stated that Jones would “pick that big man apart,” emphasizing his ability to exploit Ngannou’s size and relative grappling inexperience. Cormier highlighted Jones’ wrestling dominance over Miocic as a blueprint for how he could neutralize Ngannou. An AI-driven analysis further supports this, suggesting Jones would use clinch work and takedowns to sap Ngannou’s energy, potentially finishing with a submission like an arm triangle or rear-naked choke by the fourth round.

Another advantage for Jones lies in Ngannou’s stamina concerns. Ngannou’s fights often end quickly due to his knockout power, but when extended, his energy levels have faltered. In his first fight against Miocic at UFC 220, Ngannou gassed out after the first round, leading to a unanimous decision loss. Similarly, against Gane, he showed signs of fatigue in later rounds, relying heavily on grappling. Jones, conversely, excels in longer fights, using his cardio and pacing to wear down opponents. By surviving Ngannou’s early onslaught, Jones could capitalize on Ngannou’s fading stamina in later rounds, securing a late finish or a decision victory. Jones’ striking, while less powerful than Ngannou’s, is more technical and varied, leveraging his 84.5-inch reach, oblique kicks, and sidekicks to control distance and frustrate opponents, as seen in fights against Gustafsson and Reyes. Against Gane, Jones used leg kicks and clinch work to safely close the distance, a strategy that could keep Ngannou’s power at bay.

Jones’ extensive experience against elite competition further tilts the scales. His resume boasts victories over multiple champions across two weight classes, showcasing his ability to handle diverse challenges, from wrestlers like Cormier to strikers like Gustafsson. Ngannou, while dominant, has faced fewer grapplers or tacticians of Jones’ caliber. Even though Ngannou has made strides in wrestling and fight IQ, as evidenced by his takedown defense against Miocic and Gane, Jones has also evolved, transitioning seamlessly to heavyweight and showcasing enhanced wrestling and submission skills against Gane and Miocic. This evolution suggests Jones could outpace Ngannou’s improvements, maintaining his technical edge.

Jones’ desire to fight Ngannou was evident through his public statements and actions. He repeatedly expressed eagerness to face Ngannou, viewing it as a legacy-defining superfight. In a 2024 interview during a PFL vs. Bellator event, Jones called the matchup “really massive,” predicting victories over Ngannou, Miocic, and Tom Aspinall. In June 2025, he responded to Ngannou’s coach suggesting a UFC return, tweeting that it would be a “real super fight” and a “clash of champions.” Jones’ history of seeking the toughest challenges, having cleared the light heavyweight division before moving to heavyweight, underscores his willingness to face Ngannou. Claims that Jones avoided the fight are refuted by both fighters, with Ngannou stating, “I think we both were asking for it,” blaming the UFC’s contractual and promotional issues. Jones noted the UFC’s $8-10 million offer was insufficient for the risk, but he remained open to the fight, especially with interest from figures like Saudi Arabia’s Turki Alalshikh for a cross-promotional event.

Despite Jones’ advantages, Ngannou’s strengths pose a real threat. His unparalleled knockout power, seen in finishes of Miocic, Overeem, and Renan Ferreira, could end the fight with one clean shot, especially given Jones’ occasional vulnerability to strikes, as seen against Gustafsson and Reyes. Ngannou’s improved wrestling and ability to take down Gane and Miocic show he’s not helpless on the ground, and his size and strength could challenge Jones, who is lighter for a heavyweight. However, Jones’ ability to avoid prolonged striking exchanges, combined with his superior grappling and track record against top-tier opponents, makes him the likely victor. The fight’s failure to materialize stems from UFC’s promotional decisions and Ngannou’s departure to the PFL and boxing, not a lack of interest from either fighter. Jones’ respect for Ngannou’s PFL debut knockout in October 2024 and his confident retort to fans claiming Ngannou would “smoke” him further highlight his eagerness to settle the debate in the cage.


The hypothetical matchup between Jon Jones and Francis Ngannou in an MMA fight has sparked intense debate within the MMA community, driven by their contrasting styles and dominance in the UFC. Although the fight never materialized due to contractual disputes, Ngannou’s exit from the UFC, and promotional barriers, many analysts, fighters, and fans believe Jon Jones would hold the edge. Jones, widely regarded as one of the greatest MMA fighters ever, possesses an exceptional fight IQ and a versatile skill set that allows him to adapt to any opponent’s strengths and exploit their weaknesses. Against Ngannou, known for his devastating knockout power, Jones would likely employ a strategic game plan to avoid direct exchanges, utilizing his diverse arsenal of striking, wrestling, clinch work, and submissions to control the fight’s pace and location. His ability to adapt has been proven against elite opponents like Daniel Cormier, Alexander Gustafsson, Dominick Reyes, and Stipe Miocic, where he tailored his approach to secure victories, such as his dominant performance against Ciryl Gane at UFC 285, suggesting he could handle Ngannou’s power by keeping the fight at range or on the ground.

A key factor in Jones’ favor is his superior wrestling and grappling, areas where Ngannou has historically shown vulnerability. While Ngannou has improved his takedown defense, as seen in his rematch against Miocic and his fight with Gane, Jones’ wrestling pedigree and grappling expertise are unmatched. He has consistently used takedowns to dominate elite fighters, like his third-round finish of Miocic at UFC 309. Analysts like Chael Sonnen and Daniel Cormier have argued that Jones would likely take Ngannou down and control him on the ground, where Ngannou’s power is less effective. Sonnen has stated that Jones would “pick that big man apart,” emphasizing his ability to exploit Ngannou’s size and relative grappling inexperience. Cormier highlighted Jones’ wrestling dominance over Miocic as a blueprint for how he could neutralize Ngannou. An AI-driven analysis further supports this, suggesting Jones would use clinch work and takedowns to sap Ngannou’s energy, potentially finishing with a submission like an arm triangle or rear-naked choke by the fourth round.

Another advantage for Jones lies in Ngannou’s stamina concerns. Ngannou’s fights often end quickly due to his knockout power, but when extended, his energy levels have faltered. In his first fight against Miocic at UFC 220, Ngannou gassed out after the first round, leading to a unanimous decision loss. Similarly, against Gane, he showed signs of fatigue in later rounds, relying heavily on grappling. Jones, conversely, excels in longer fights, using his cardio and pacing to wear down opponents. By surviving Ngannou’s early onslaught, Jones could capitalize on Ngannou’s fading stamina in later rounds, securing a late finish or a decision victory. Jones’ striking, while less powerful than Ngannou’s, is more technical and varied, leveraging his 84.5-inch reach, oblique kicks, and sidekicks to control distance and frustrate opponents, as seen in fights against Gustafsson and Reyes. Against Gane, Jones used leg kicks and clinch work to safely close the distance, a strategy that could keep Ngannou’s power at bay.

Jones’ extensive experience against elite competition further tilts the scales. His resume boasts victories over multiple champions across two weight classes, showcasing his ability to handle diverse challenges, from wrestlers like Cormier to strikers like Gustafsson. Ngannou, while dominant, has faced fewer grapplers or tacticians of Jones’ caliber. Even though Ngannou has made strides in wrestling and fight IQ, as evidenced by his takedown defense against Miocic and Gane, Jones has also evolved, transitioning seamlessly to heavyweight and showcasing enhanced wrestling and submission skills against Gane and Miocic. This evolution suggests Jones could outpace Ngannou’s improvements, maintaining his technical edge.

Jones’ desire to fight Ngannou was evident through his public statements and actions. He repeatedly expressed eagerness to face Ngannou, viewing it as a legacy-defining superfight. In a 2024 interview during a PFL vs. Bellator event, Jones called the matchup “really massive,” predicting victories over Ngannou, Miocic, and Tom Aspinall. In June 2025, he responded to Ngannou’s coach suggesting a UFC return, tweeting that it would be a “real super fight” and a “clash of champions.” Jones’ history of seeking the toughest challenges, having cleared the light heavyweight division before moving to heavyweight, underscores his willingness to face Ngannou. Claims that Jones avoided the fight are refuted by both fighters, with Ngannou stating, “I think we both were asking for it,” blaming the UFC’s contractual and promotional issues. Jones noted the UFC’s $8-10 million offer was insufficient for the risk, but he remained open to the fight, especially with interest from figures like Saudi Arabia’s Turki Alalshikh for a cross-promotional event.

Despite Jones’ advantages, Ngannou’s strengths pose a real threat. His unparalleled knockout power, seen in finishes of Miocic, Overeem, and Renan Ferreira, could end the fight with one clean shot, especially given Jones’ occasional vulnerability to strikes, as seen against Gustafsson and Reyes. Ngannou’s improved wrestling and ability to take down Gane and Miocic show he’s not helpless on the ground, and his size and strength could challenge Jones, who is lighter for a heavyweight. However, Jones’ ability to avoid prolonged striking exchanges, combined with his superior grappling and track record against top-tier opponents, makes him the likely victor. The fight’s failure to materialize stems from UFC’s promotional decisions and Ngannou’s departure to the PFL and boxing, not a lack of interest from either fighter. Jones’ respect for Ngannou’s PFL debut knockout in October 2024 and his confident retort to fans claiming Ngannou would “smoke” him further highlight his eagerness to settle the debate in the cage.
 
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Just say you concede, he is right. About the match up between Jon Jones and Francis Ngannou in an MMA fight has sparked intense debate within the MMA community, driven by their contrasting styles and dominance in the UFC. Although the fight never materialized due to contractual disputes, Ngannou’s exit from the UFC, and promotional barriers, many analysts, fighters, and fans believe Jon Jones would hold the edge. Jones, widely regarded as one of the greatest MMA fighters ever, possesses an exceptional fight IQ and a versatile skill set that allows him to adapt to any opponent’s strengths and exploit their weaknesses. Against Ngannou, known for his devastating knockout power, Jones would likely employ a strategic game plan to avoid direct exchanges, utilizing his diverse arsenal of striking, wrestling, clinch work, and submissions to control the fight’s pace and location. His ability to adapt has been proven against elite opponents like Daniel Cormier, Alexander Gustafsson, Dominick Reyes, and Stipe Miocic, where he tailored his approach to secure victories, such as his dominant performance against Ciryl Gane at UFC 285, suggesting he could handle Ngannou’s power by keeping the fight at range or on the ground.

A key factor in Jones’ favor is his superior wrestling and grappling, areas where Ngannou has historically shown vulnerability. While Ngannou has improved his takedown defense, as seen in his rematch against Miocic and his fight with Gane, Jones’ wrestling pedigree and grappling expertise are unmatched. He has consistently used takedowns to dominate elite fighters, like his third-round finish of Miocic at UFC 309. Analysts like Chael Sonnen and Daniel Cormier have argued that Jones would likely take Ngannou down and control him on the ground, where Ngannou’s power is less effective. Sonnen has stated that Jones would “pick that big man apart,” emphasizing his ability to exploit Ngannou’s size and relative grappling inexperience. Cormier highlighted Jones’ wrestling dominance over Miocic as a blueprint for how he could neutralize Ngannou. An AI-driven analysis further supports this, suggesting Jones would use clinch work and takedowns to sap Ngannou’s energy, potentially finishing with a submission like an arm triangle or rear-naked choke by the fourth round.

Another advantage for Jones lies in Ngannou’s stamina concerns. Ngannou’s fights often end quickly due to his knockout power, but when extended, his energy levels have faltered. In his first fight against Miocic at UFC 220, Ngannou gassed out after the first round, leading to a unanimous decision loss. Similarly, against Gane, he showed signs of fatigue in later rounds, relying heavily on grappling. Jones, conversely, excels in longer fights, using his cardio and pacing to wear down opponents. By surviving Ngannou’s early onslaught, Jones could capitalize on Ngannou’s fading stamina in later rounds, securing a late finish or a decision victory. Jones’ striking, while less powerful than Ngannou’s, is more technical and varied, leveraging his 84.5-inch reach, oblique kicks, and sidekicks to control distance and frustrate opponents, as seen in fights against Gustafsson and Reyes. Against Gane, Jones used leg kicks and clinch work to safely close the distance, a strategy that could keep Ngannou’s power at bay.

Jones’ extensive experience against elite competition further tilts the scales. His resume boasts victories over multiple champions across two weight classes, showcasing his ability to handle diverse challenges, from wrestlers like Cormier to strikers like Gustafsson. Ngannou, while dominant, has faced fewer grapplers or tacticians of Jones’ caliber. Even though Ngannou has made strides in wrestling and fight IQ, as evidenced by his takedown defense against Miocic and Gane, Jones has also evolved, transitioning seamlessly to heavyweight and showcasing enhanced wrestling and submission skills against Gane and Miocic. This evolution suggests Jones could outpace Ngannou’s improvements, maintaining his technical edge.

Jones’ desire to fight Ngannou was evident through his public statements and actions. He repeatedly expressed eagerness to face Ngannou, viewing it as a legacy-defining superfight. In a 2024 interview during a PFL vs. Bellator event, Jones called the matchup “really massive,” predicting victories over Ngannou, Miocic, and Tom Aspinall. In June 2025, he responded to Ngannou’s coach suggesting a UFC return, tweeting that it would be a “real super fight” and a “clash of champions.” Jones’ history of seeking the toughest challenges, having cleared the light heavyweight division before moving to heavyweight, underscores his willingness to face Ngannou. Claims that Jones avoided the fight are refuted by both fighters, with Ngannou stating, “I think we both were asking for it,” blaming the UFC’s contractual and promotional issues. Jones noted the UFC’s $8-10 million offer was insufficient for the risk, but he remained open to the fight, especially with interest from figures like Saudi Arabia’s Turki Alalshikh for a cross-promotional event.

Despite Jones’ advantages, Ngannou’s strengths pose a real threat. His unparalleled knockout power, seen in finishes of Miocic, Overeem, and Renan Ferreira, could end the fight with one clean shot, especially given Jones’ occasional vulnerability to strikes, as seen against Gustafsson and Reyes. Ngannou’s improved wrestling and ability to take down Gane and Miocic show he’s not helpless on the ground, and his size and strength could challenge Jones, who is lighter for a heavyweight. However, Jones’ ability to avoid prolonged striking exchanges, combined with his superior grappling and track record against top-tier opponents, makes him the likely victor. The fight’s failure to materialize stems from UFC’s promotional decisions and Ngannou’s departure to the PFL and boxing, not a lack of interest from either fighter. Jones’ respect for Ngannou’s PFL debut knockout in October 2024 and his confident retort to fans claiming Ngannou would “smoke” him further highlight his eagerness to settle the debate in the cage.


The hypothetical matchup between Jon Jones and Francis Ngannou in an MMA fight has sparked intense debate within the MMA community, driven by their contrasting styles and dominance in the UFC. Although the fight never materialized due to contractual disputes, Ngannou’s exit from the UFC, and promotional barriers, many analysts, fighters, and fans believe Jon Jones would hold the edge. Jones, widely regarded as one of the greatest MMA fighters ever, possesses an exceptional fight IQ and a versatile skill set that allows him to adapt to any opponent’s strengths and exploit their weaknesses. Against Ngannou, known for his devastating knockout power, Jones would likely employ a strategic game plan to avoid direct exchanges, utilizing his diverse arsenal of striking, wrestling, clinch work, and submissions to control the fight’s pace and location. His ability to adapt has been proven against elite opponents like Daniel Cormier, Alexander Gustafsson, Dominick Reyes, and Stipe Miocic, where he tailored his approach to secure victories, such as his dominant performance against Ciryl Gane at UFC 285, suggesting he could handle Ngannou’s power by keeping the fight at range or on the ground.

A key factor in Jones’ favor is his superior wrestling and grappling, areas where Ngannou has historically shown vulnerability. While Ngannou has improved his takedown defense, as seen in his rematch against Miocic and his fight with Gane, Jones’ wrestling pedigree and grappling expertise are unmatched. He has consistently used takedowns to dominate elite fighters, like his third-round finish of Miocic at UFC 309. Analysts like Chael Sonnen and Daniel Cormier have argued that Jones would likely take Ngannou down and control him on the ground, where Ngannou’s power is less effective. Sonnen has stated that Jones would “pick that big man apart,” emphasizing his ability to exploit Ngannou’s size and relative grappling inexperience. Cormier highlighted Jones’ wrestling dominance over Miocic as a blueprint for how he could neutralize Ngannou. An AI-driven analysis further supports this, suggesting Jones would use clinch work and takedowns to sap Ngannou’s energy, potentially finishing with a submission like an arm triangle or rear-naked choke by the fourth round.

Another advantage for Jones lies in Ngannou’s stamina concerns. Ngannou’s fights often end quickly due to his knockout power, but when extended, his energy levels have faltered. In his first fight against Miocic at UFC 220, Ngannou gassed out after the first round, leading to a unanimous decision loss. Similarly, against Gane, he showed signs of fatigue in later rounds, relying heavily on grappling. Jones, conversely, excels in longer fights, using his cardio and pacing to wear down opponents. By surviving Ngannou’s early onslaught, Jones could capitalize on Ngannou’s fading stamina in later rounds, securing a late finish or a decision victory. Jones’ striking, while less powerful than Ngannou’s, is more technical and varied, leveraging his 84.5-inch reach, oblique kicks, and sidekicks to control distance and frustrate opponents, as seen in fights against Gustafsson and Reyes. Against Gane, Jones used leg kicks and clinch work to safely close the distance, a strategy that could keep Ngannou’s power at bay.

Jones’ extensive experience against elite competition further tilts the scales. His resume boasts victories over multiple champions across two weight classes, showcasing his ability to handle diverse challenges, from wrestlers like Cormier to strikers like Gustafsson. Ngannou, while dominant, has faced fewer grapplers or tacticians of Jones’ caliber. Even though Ngannou has made strides in wrestling and fight IQ, as evidenced by his takedown defense against Miocic and Gane, Jones has also evolved, transitioning seamlessly to heavyweight and showcasing enhanced wrestling and submission skills against Gane and Miocic. This evolution suggests Jones could outpace Ngannou’s improvements, maintaining his technical edge.

Jones’ desire to fight Ngannou was evident through his public statements and actions. He repeatedly expressed eagerness to face Ngannou, viewing it as a legacy-defining superfight. In a 2024 interview during a PFL vs. Bellator event, Jones called the matchup “really massive,” predicting victories over Ngannou, Miocic, and Tom Aspinall. In June 2025, he responded to Ngannou’s coach suggesting a UFC return, tweeting that it would be a “real super fight” and a “clash of champions.” Jones’ history of seeking the toughest challenges, having cleared the light heavyweight division before moving to heavyweight, underscores his willingness to face Ngannou. Claims that Jones avoided the fight are refuted by both fighters, with Ngannou stating, “I think we both were asking for it,” blaming the UFC’s contractual and promotional issues. Jones noted the UFC’s $8-10 million offer was insufficient for the risk, but he remained open to the fight, especially with interest from figures like Saudi Arabia’s Turki Alalshikh for a cross-promotional event.

Despite Jones’ advantages, Ngannou’s strengths pose a real threat. His unparalleled knockout power, seen in finishes of Miocic, Overeem, and Renan Ferreira, could end the fight with one clean shot, especially given Jones’ occasional vulnerability to strikes, as seen against Gustafsson and Reyes. Ngannou’s improved wrestling and ability to take down Gane and Miocic show he’s not helpless on the ground, and his size and strength could challenge Jones, who is lighter for a heavyweight. However, Jones’ ability to avoid prolonged striking exchanges, combined with his superior grappling and track record against top-tier opponents, makes him the likely victor. The fight’s failure to materialize stems from UFC’s promotional decisions and Ngannou’s departure to the PFL and boxing, not a lack of interest from either fighter. Jones’ respect for Ngannou’s PFL debut knockout in October 2024 and his confident retort to fans claiming Ngannou would “smoke” him further highlight his eagerness to settle the debate in the cage.

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Haven't you dumb fucks been celebrating for years that Francis refused to re-sign with the UFC unless they offered him continued champion pay no matter how shitty his record got?

Make up your minds about fighter pay.
 
With that said....explain this to me then.....

1. Nov 2022 it's announced through MMAJunkine and many other media outlets that Jon Jones will be making his HW debut on March 5th 2023 at UFC 285 and the targeted opponent is Francis Ngannou.

2. On January 14th, 2023 it is made official that Jon Jones is fighting for the HW title on March 5th, 2023 at UFC 285 vs Cyril Gane. Same time they announce Francis is being stripped and leaving the UFC.

3. On Jan 17th, 2023 on the Ariel Helhwani podcast Francis Ngnannou comes on and mentions that the UFC has been in talks with him in December and January to come to terms on a new deal. Francis reveals that the UFC matchmakers had a call with him on Tuesday Jan 10th and formally offered Francis the Jones fight at UFC 285 as part of a 3 fight contract. This was 4 days before announcing Francis is how stripped and leaving the UFC and Jones is fighting Gane.

4. UFC 285 happens on March 5th, 2023, Jon Jones fights on the very event he was booked two months prior and the very event that Francis Ngannou was offered to fight him.

So with all that said above, where exactly does Jones want no part of Ngnannou?? I mean it was announced months prior he's fighting at UFC 285 and they intent was Jones vs Ngannou. Then Ngannou is formally offered the fight to which Jones has already agreed. Jones fights on the very event he was booked for and Ngannou was offered. Where exaclty is this on Jones for the fight not happening?

Seems more like every intent was on Jones behalf to fight him, and Francis just declined the fight and went to do other things.

He declined the deal.
Yeah when fighters sign to fight on an event, they have to fight whoever the UFC puts on that event as their opponent no questions asked. Thats how it works. They could've brought Brock Lesnar and poor Jones would been obligated to fight him, just like when he fought Chael Sonnen on short notice.
 
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