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International Israel - Iran Conflict: PEACE DEAL CONFIRMED

Choose the following that best describes your position

  • I do not support Israel attacking Iran

    Votes: 223 61.6%

  • I support Israel attacking Iran, but do not support America becoming directly involved.

    Votes: 93 25.7%

  • I’m for America directly involving itself in the conflict.

    Votes: 46 12.7%
  • Total voters
    362
  • Poll closed .
KAZSoliloquy said:
not to mention russia and china support iran, russia especially so.
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Russia does not have a mutual defence treaty with Iran. In any case, the Russian military, what's left of it, is rather busy at the moment.

China has already offered to broker a peace deal between Iran and Israel. That will be the extent of their skin in this game.
 
Cajun said:
Will see the US response. I've been a long proponent of using our support as pressure. Trump has been working on deals in the region to create further ties and also an Iran nuclear deal. I think we were unaware but need to push on them here.
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Trump released a pretty brutal statement that while not involved, he knew about the strike and said it was OK

He says this will make the deal easier because most of the Iran hardliners that were against a deal are now dead.

Also said that if they don’t make a deal now, more and bigger strikes to come
 
cottagecheesefan said:
Will be interesting to see how Trump reacts. But they shit on everyone, Trump might be the one to draw the line and tell them to fuck off (hopefully)
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BTW this is peak cope ladies and gentlemen.



Trump is literally saying he knew and signed off on this Israeli attack at this point in time, and will personally send the US military in if Iran attacks the US. Disgusting shit.
 
cottagecheesefan said:
Will be interesting to see how Trump reacts. But they shit on everyone, Trump might be the one to draw the line and tell them to fuck off (hopefully)
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No, they're doing this because he signaled to them that he's okay with it and that we'll still help defend them from retaliation.

The only reason they haven't done it in the past was because we made clear we wouldn't continue to support them if they acted unilaterally. It would be an act of aggression fucking with the sovereignty of another nation. Something that we've long stated we opposed, no matter who, no matter what.

Trump doesn't see these things this way so he's fine with it if it's a country he supports vs. a country he doesn't.
 
cottagecheesefan said:
Trump released a pretty brutal statement that while not involved, he knew about the strike and said it was OK

He says this will make the deal easier because most of the Iran hardliners that were against a deal are now dead.

Also said that if they don’t make a deal now, more and bigger strikes to come
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You are right. Just read it. I dont agree with this approach.
 
panamaican said:
No, they're doing this because he signaled to them that he's okay with it and that we'll still help defend them from retaliation.

The only reason they haven't done it in the past was because we made clear we wouldn't continue to support them if they acted unilaterally. It would be an act of aggression fucking with the sovereignty of another nation. Something that we've long stated we opposed, no matter who, no matter what.

Trump doesn't see these things this way so he's fine with it if it's a country he supports vs. a country he doesn't.
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Seems to be the case that Trump is fine with Israel doing this. Iran is a tough case to resolve. They sponsor all these terrorist factions and I believe they are intent on nuclear weapons. But all out war at this time is not the direction to take. I've read the US is meeting with Iranian diplomats so let's see but it doesnt look good. Trump said he did discuss the strikes with another mid east country. Im curious the response from the region outside of Iran.
 
Cajun said:
Seems to be the case that Trump is fine with Israel doing this. Iran is a tough case to resolve. They sponsor all these terrorist factions and I believe they are intent on nuclear weapons. But all out war at this time is not the direction to take. I've read the US is meeting with Iranian diplomats so let's see but it doesnt look good. Trump said he did discuss the strikes with another mid east country. Im curious the response from the region outside of Iran.
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Lack of principles. Either we're okay with unilateral aggression into another country or we're not.

Russia and Israel are engaged in the same behavior. They both decided that another country's choices are a threat to themselves and so they attacked those countries to further their own ends.

As a principle -- we can't oppose one and support the other. They're both right or they're both wrong.
 
KAZSoliloquy said:
that is by design. it's the reason israel has our full support in the west. they destabilize the region.
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Huh? They have our full support because they are our closest ally in a region of nations that are/have been hostile towards us. We've basically planted a U.S. flag in Israel to keep them in line.
 
Cajun said:
Will see the US response. I've been a long proponent of using our support as pressure. Trump has been working on deals in the region to create further ties and also an Iran nuclear deal. I think we were unaware but need to push on them here.
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trump hasn't been working on shit, frankly. he pulled out of an already-done deal, gave them an ultimatum (his words), and apparently threatened them with israel's violence AHEAD of time according to his truth social post. then he greenlit the strikes.

this shit wouldn't even fly in civ 6. he'd have the whole map bombing him within 5 turns.
 
From a logistical standpoint Iran is likely fucked. This show of force demonstrate that Israel can basically do whatever it wants inside their country without much if any resistance whatsoever. Their air defense assets are useless and they don't have a strong and modern enough air force to go toe to toe with Israel's. I won't be surprised if Khameini himself get taken down at some point in the near future. The Mossad also seem to have infiltrated the country deeply.

That said Iran has no choice but to retaliate at this point but aside from missile barrages there is not much they can do imho unless they get help from Russia and or China which is doubtful. It would be also ill advised for them to target U.S bases as U.S retaliation would be immediate.

Let's just say that the next few days should prove interesting as Israel said they won't stop and Iran vowed to respond. This has all the hallmarks of the beginning of a war with the most likely outcome being regime change in Iran.

Btw if my post come up as pro Israel i'm not. I'm no fan of neither Bibi Netanyahu nor the mullahs. There are no black and white here just a dark shade of grey. Just trying to see this from a logistical pov.
 
Cajun said:
Will see the US response. I've been a long proponent of using our support as pressure. Trump has been working on deals in the region to create further ties and also an Iran nuclear deal. I think we were unaware but need to push on them here.
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Unaware of that this attack was coming? That's not true. Maybe I am misunderstanding you.
 
KAZSoliloquy said:
i love that even though israel keeps bombing them, demanding war, and murdering their civilians every year or two, here you are claiming iran poses THEM some kind of existential threat and not the other way around.
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yeah, they just fund terror groups that attack israel every day and are seeking nuclear capabilities. no threat at all.
 
panamaican said:
No, they're doing this because he signaled to them that he's okay with it and that we'll still help defend them from retaliation.

The only reason they haven't done it in the past was because we made clear we wouldn't continue to support them if they acted unilaterally. It would be an act of aggression fucking with the sovereignty of another nation. Something that we've long stated we opposed, no matter who, no matter what.

Trump doesn't see these things this way so he's fine with it if it's a country he supports vs. a country he doesn't.
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Yea, as I read more as things unfolded, I changed my tune a bit. At first I thought it was a routine strike, nothing really significant, then begging for help. But damn, they went hard.




KnightTemplar said:
Russia does not have a mutual defence treaty with Iran. In any case, the Russian military, what's left of it, is rather busy at the moment.

China has already offered to broker a peace deal between Iran and Israel. That will be the extent of their skin in this game.
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Wonder if it is significant at all, but do find it interesting how quickly China is coming in. Their two BFFs just got punked hard.
 
Crazy Source said:
Huh? They have our full support because they are our closest ally in a region of nations that are/have been hostile towards us.
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those nations are hostile towards us BECAUSE we are actively destabilizing the region. do you think ISIS was around in 1917 saying "death to america?" that's a response to being subjected to constant western violence, coups, sanctions, and genocide for the last century.
 
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