International Israel - Iran Conflict: PEACE DEAL CONFIRMED

[kflo]

Yup. That's literally what an agreements are, they address specific issues or matters, not every single thing in the world.

lol. So I’m obligated to keep my agreement with you after you murder people and hire killers. You are not a serious person.

Israel and Iran both sponsor terrorism and proxies. Unless you think the boogie man was the one blowing up Iranian scientists before the deal?

So you think Israel was sponsoring terrorism against Iran the same way Iran was sponsoring terrorism against Israel? Again, you’re not a serious person on the topic.

Kind of rich you're bringing this up given Israel is currently sponsoring terrorists and criminals in Gaza because they think those groups will counterbalance Hamas.

You are not serious.

So again, can you point to a clause or part of JCPOA that Iran violated?

SMH.

You can’t violate every other aspect of diplomacy and peace and suggest you are a good faith partner.

 

[HereticBD]

Since when are nuclear scientists not civilians?

When they are working to weaponize atomic bombs to use against their enemies. This isn't rocket science...well, a bit of rocket science, I guess.

 

[Hog-train]

Doesn’t change the fact that they’re aiming at legit military targets

https://ojs.uwindsor.ca/index.php/WYAJ/article/download/4535/3719

Doesn't change the fact that they're also killing civilians. Human shields and all that.

Yea but that’s mma math, every situation is different , that is an old tired talking point.

It's called simple observation.

We tried doing regime change in Iraq (with boots on the ground) and it's now a shitshow. We tried regime change by toppling Gaddafi in Libya and that's now a shitshow. We tried regime change in Afghanistan for two decades with boots on the ground and now the Taliban is back in control.

We literally did regime change in Iran with the 1953 coup d'etat and that turned into this mess we have now.

So now I'm supposed to believe just bombing them a bit with zero boots on the ground is going to turn into some utopian people's revolution where democracy and Kumbaya happens? Yea not buying it.

Analysts have made it clear when commenting on strikes from the first few days, especially those initial strikes, that it has been astonishing how precise those strikes were, and how there was essentially no civilian collateral.

Since then, the only reports of large-scale casualties to Iranian citizens are by the state-run media, a source as reliable as RussiaToday, which is to say that it isn't reliable at all.

Yea obviously hitting the facilities in the desert is not going to kill many civilians.

But hitting the cities like Tehran obviously will. I do not believe anything Israel or Israeli media says as well. They were saying for the longest time they were doing the most humane and precise strikes in Gaza for two years. Human shields and all that. We all know how full of shit they are.

And the reports of civilian deaths is reported at 224 out of Iran. That is not some unbelievable number.

But Israel is not in a position of panic or weakness. They killed more top nuclear scientists and military commanders than that. They killed the leader of the Revolutionary Guard (again). They destroyed air defense batteries, nuclear facilities, command centers, airports/airbases/airfields, fuel depots, radar centers, communication nodes, missile launchpads, individually targeted personnel, and so on. They hit oil production facilities which will cripple Iran's #1 source of income by stopping production at the largest gas field in the world at South Pars, for example.

Everyone has said this wouldn't work against Hamas and Hezbollah and the Houthis. But it did. They neutered them all. Again and again Israel is proving the glib onlookers wrong. In fact, there are limits to leadership, humans and their networks are finite, so you can cut off the head, and devastate your opponents' capability to fight back; these heads don't just magically grow back as strong and skilled as they were. In this case, they have a specific goal, which is to eradicate all nuclear progress Iran has been making. That's what they're trying, here. We will see if it works again.

If Israel is in such a superior position, why did they formally ask the US to join the war? Do it yourselves - I don't want to get involved.

The US was in the process of super sensitive talks with Iran and then Netanyahu just said fuck it and fucked Trump over. He's trying to force the US's hand.

Israel asks US to join Iran war. Here’s what could explode if America steps in - BusinessToday

A senior White House official told Axios, “Whatever happens with Israel's strikes on Iran cannot be prevented… But we have the ability to negotiate a peaceful resolution if Iran is willing.”

www.businesstoday.in

 

[avenue94]

And you think the current regime and perspective has the momentum to perpetuate? Lol

Until a more compelling alternative arrives, that's the default assumption, or something like Egypt, where the deep state stages a counter revolution and wins back power.

Again, can you name a successful regime change where there wasn't a popular candidate or party to rally around?

 

[fedoriswar37]

So are the nuclear scientists who work on Israel's illegal nuclear weapons arsenal fair game then?

You're the one arguing that strategic value nullifies basic international law regarding warfare.

And Israel's goal isn't really to stop Iran's nuclear arsenal. Otherwise they would have not torpedoed JCPOA, which was more effective than any active measures Israel has taken.

Then what? A liberal Western democracy magically springs forth?

Yes , they certainly are if these are the rules isreal wants to play by. As are politicians , military commanders aircraft mechanics the guys who answer the phones at their military bases. Pretty much if your in the business of war right now , maybe sleep with 1 eye open or reevaluate your career.

 

[avenue94]

lol. So I’m obligated to keep my agreement with you after you murder people and hire killers. You are not a serious person.

Grow up. That's how international agreements and diplomacy work. Shitty people and governments do shitty things, but what matters for the agreement is whether or not it was obligated. It's why lawyers who specialize in international deals exist.

Remind me again, when was the last time Iran attacked an Israeli embassy or consulate? Because I remember the last time Israel did that, which in international law tantamount to striking Iranian soil.

So you think Israel was sponsoring terrorism against Iran the same way Iran was sponsoring terrorism against Israel? Again, you’re not a serious person on the topic.

Same methods, different orders.

SMH.

You can’t violate every other aspect of diplomacy and peace and suggest you are a good faith partner

They were a good faith partner on JCPOA for as long as the deal was honored by the West.

You are twisting yourself into a pretzel here denying something as obvious as the sky being blue, my friend: Iran stopped nuclear proliferation while JCPOA was in effect.

 

[avenue94]

When they are working to weaponize atomic bombs to use against their enemies. This isn't rocket science...well, a bit of rocket science, I guess.

Every nuclear power, including Israel, has scientists working to weaponize atomic bombs against their enemies. What the fuck do you think they work on?

Yes , they certainly are if these are the rules isreal wants to play by. As are politicians , military commanders aircraft mechanics the guys who answer the phones at their military bases. Pretty much if your in the business of war right now , maybe sleep with 1 eye open or reevaluate your career.

Fair enough. That's personally not a can of worms I want opened internationally, but you do you.

 

[Deorum]

I assume Iran learned their mistake on their last bombing on Israel

Shoe on the other foot.

This is wild, as if it's the World Cup or some shit.

 

[BluntForceTrama]

Until a more compelling alternative arrives, that's the default assumption, or something like Egypt, where the deep state stages a counter revolution and wins back power.

Again, can you name a successful regime change where there wasn't a popular candidate or party to rally around?

Avatar bet that it will not resume in any shape or form

 

[avenue94]

Lemme guess...you're one of those people who loves tossing around the word deep state but doesn't actually know the origin of the term? Hence you don't understand how it applies to Iran.

 

[BluntForceTrama]

Lemme guess...you're one of those people who loves tossing around the word deep state but doesn't actually know the origin of the term? Hence you don't understand how it applies to Iran.

Nice of you to avoid the bet dickey

 

[HereticBD]

Every nuclear power, including Israel, has scientists working to weaponize atomic bombs against their enemies. What the fuck do you think they work on?

And in times of war, they're all fair game. Iran does not have the same capabilities of Israel, though.

Is this another thing where you proclaim that war should be fair?

 

[kflo]

Grow up. That's how international agreements and diplomacy work. Shitty people and governments do shitty things, but what matters for the agreement is whether or not it was obligated. It's why lawyers who specialize in international deals exist.

lol. You are so full of shit.

You can’t just do shitty things carte blanche and then say I upheld my end on this other thing. It’s a fuckin joke to suggest otherwise.

Remind me again, when was the last time Iran attacked an Israeli embassy or consulate? Because I remember the last time Israel did that, which in international law tantamount to striking Iranian soil.

Team Iran. Got it.

Same methods, different orders.

lol.

You are so full of shit. You don’t even believe it.

They were a good faith partner on JCPOA for as long as the deal was honored by the West.

And bad faith in every other facet.

You are twisting yourself into a pretzel here denying something as obvious as the sky being blue, my friend: Iran stopped nuclear proliferation while JCPOA was in effect.

While enabling Iran to fund terrorism all around. Such good global partners……

Iran paused while they fucked up shit everywhere else they could. And then when given the chance, started right up and hid their activities.

It’s comical you are pretending they have been good citizens dealt a bad hand. lol. Shameless team Iran.

 

[PEB]

 

[avenue94]

Nice of you to avoid the bet dickey

I'm not much a gambler and am not silly enough to assume that I'll know what happens if a despotic government falls.

But I do know it's a bad idea to put all your hopes on a magically better regime replacing bad government when the best candidate you have is a lazy rich dude who hasn't stepped foot in Iran in over 40 years because that older regime was so hated it got tossed out.

I hope you're right and Iran's government falls and something better replaces it. But history's track record is quite ominous there.

 

[avenue94]

And in times of war, they're all fair game. Iran does not have the same capabilities of Israel, though.

Is this another thing where you proclaim that war should be fair?

When did I say war should be fair. I've said that allowing Israel to wage an illegal war and target noncombatants is a really bad can of worms that will also weaken protections for countries not named Iran.

I don't expect someone who doesn't understand how due process works domestically to grasp the point: international law is only as protective of America and its allies as it is applied to adversaries.

 

[Madmick]

Yea obviously hitting the facilities in the desert is not going to kill many civilians.

But hitting the cities like Tehran obviously will. I do not believe anything Israel or Israeli media says as well. They were saying for the longest time they were doing the most humane and precise strikes in Gaza for two years. Human shields and all that. We all know how full of shit they are.

And the reports of civilian deaths is reported at 224 out of Iran. That is not some unbelievable number.

I don't listen to Israeli analysts or state speakers when it comes to this. The chief report I watched was a CBS report, and the analyst was a woman, a former Pentagon official whose work focused on Israel, Iran, and that area.

If Israel is in such a superior position, why did they formally ask the US to join the war? Do it yourselves - I don't want to get involved.

The US was in the process of super sensitive talks with Iran and then Netanyahu just said fuck it and fucked Trump over. He's trying to force the US's hand.

Israel asks US to join Iran war. Here’s what could explode if America steps in - BusinessToday

A senior White House official told Axios, “Whatever happens with Israel's strikes on Iran cannot be prevented… But we have the ability to negotiate a peaceful resolution if Iran is willing.”

www.businesstoday.in

What do they stand to lose by asking? They've obliterated the top ranks of Iranian military command, key nuclear development personnel, and have wiped out a staggering amount of Iran's most critical infrastructure to a conflict...in the first three days. It's exactly how things went with Hamas and Hezbollah. We were told this wouldn't matter, and Hezbollah would fight forever. They didn't. They tapped out.

It's the same sort of highly precise, highly targeted blitzkrieg-by-air strategy we saw with those former foes. A famous adage in carpentry is "Measure twice, cut once." That seems to be what Israel has done. They plan long and meticulously, then when the moment comes, they eliminate the entire list of targets before their enemy even knows what's happening, or can scramble to adapt. These are the most sophisticated, comprehensive ambushes we've ever witnessed in warfare.

As an American who has seen how badly my own country has fucked this up over the past three decades...I'm a bit jelly.

 

[BluntForceTrama]

I'm not much a gambler and am not silly enough to assume that I'll know what happens if a despotic government falls.

But I do know it's a bad idea to put all your hopes on a magically better regime replacing bad government when the best candidate you have is a lazy rich dude who hasn't stepped foot in Iran in over 40 years because that older regime was so hated it got tossed out.

I hope you're right and Iran's government falls and something better replaces it. But history's track record is quite ominous there.

Carry on troll

 

[b34stmode]

And in times of war, they're all fair game. Iran does not have the same capabilities of Israel, though.

Is this another thing where you proclaim that war should be fair?

This is simply not true. You are saying any Nuclear scientist is fair game to be murdered by assassins anywhere, at anytime, simply because of their profession. That is false. They have to be working with the military in some type of official capacity.

 

[Crazy Source]

When they are working to weaponize atomic bombs to use against their enemies. This isn't rocket science...well, a bit of rocket science, I guess.

It's quite a twist, isn't it?

"These guys over here get to have the bomb, but fuck these guys"

It's arbitrary. If I were a country in the ME I'd want one.