International Israel - Iran Conflict: PEACE DEAL CONFIRMED

[avenue94]

I mean nuclear scientist seems like a pretty strategic target to me. Doesn't really get more specific than that.

So's poisoning a country's water supply. Strategic doesn't mean legal. Like I keep pointing out, everyone wants to say nuclear scientists are fair game until they're American or western.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

The comic relief here is you're contortions to avoid admitting what is objectively verified: The JCPOA was working kept Iran from proliferating until Trump and Bibi fucked the pooch and broke a legally binding deal.

Now, Trump and Bibi are scrambling to clean up a mess they themselves made, despite being warned by all their allies against it.

But for you to admit that would mean admitting that your cult leader erred. Can't have that now, can we.

'erred.'

Oh no, my cult leader 'erred.'
I hope he doesn't 'erreded' any harder.

 

[kflo]

They followed the terms of the agreement and didn't violate it. Do you think they violatedit?

Way to not answer the question. Lol.

Why would any country negotiate with a partner who has a history of negotiating in bad faith and tossed out the last agreement that was agreed to?

Iran is a good faith partner in peace based on their behavior under jcpoa? Lol

It's not ideal, but as an American there are worse scenarios that are harder to manage.

Iran being a nuclear power isn’t a big deal to you as an American?

The crux of this is that you don't want to admit how badly Bibi fucked Israel by blowing up an agreement that was working.

Yeah Iran was a great ally under jcpoa to all. Good citizens and all. Well behaved. And it was Trump who exited the agreement.

 

[Cherry Brigand]

If Trump was President this war would have never happened!

Remember when Kamala lost bigly?

 

[BluntForceTrama]

Even if they did, they would just restart again the first chance again because Israel keeps proving why a totalitarian regime logically wants nukes for deterrence.

Not with a new regime which is probably what it’s low key going ffor

 

[Siver!]

Remember when Kamala lost bigly?

That's what happens when naive people vote for buffoons.

They get served up a bunch of war, chaos, and an ever-depreciating dollar.

Congrats on your win.

 

[avenue94]

Oh no, my cult leader 'erred.'
I hope he doesn't 'erreded' any harder.

Like I said, you can't address event he basics of this situation because you either lack the knowledge or can't bring yourself to admit Trump fucked up bigly. Or both.

Way to not answer the question. Lol.

They acted in as good of faith as any other power involve din Syria or in the business of backing proxies against adversaries.

JCPOA wasn't meant to address every issue, just proliferation. You're attempting to spin it as something the agreement wasn't.

Iran is a good faith partner in peace based on their behavior under jcpoa? Lol

They were a good faith partner on the agreement itself. I don't know why you expect an nuclear deal to stop a country from engaging in proxy warfare.

Yeah Iran was a great ally under jcpoa to all. Good citizens and all. Well behaved. And it was Trump who exited the agreement.

Who said that? You're just flailing about because you don't want to engage the core issue.

Did Iran violate any aspect of JCPOA?

 

[avenue94]

Not with a new regime which is probably what it’s low key going ffor

1. Who is this new regime?
2. What makes you think they wouldn't pursue a nuclear bomb?

 

[kflo]

Like I said, you can't address event he basics of this situation because you either lack the knowledge or can't bring yourself to admit Trump fucked up bigly. Or both.

They acted in as good of faith as any other power involve din Syria or in the business of backing proxies against adversaries.

JCPOA wasn't meant to address every issue, just proliferation. You're attempting to spin it as something the agreement wasn't.

They were a good faith partner on the agreement itself. I don't know why you expect an nuclear deal to stop a country from engaging in proxy warfare.

Who said that? You're just flailing about because you don't want to engage the core issue.

Did Iran violate any aspect of JCPOA?

so if we have an agreement for you not to make bombs but you instead murder people and hire killers everything is cool? You honored your agreement? lol.

And it’s hilarious how you simply call it “proxy warfare” as if it’s just BAU shit and not literally sponsoring terrorism and actively engaging in war. Just a little warfare and regional terrorism. No biggie.

 

[BluntForceTrama]

1. Who is this new regime?
2. What makes you think they wouldn't pursue a nuclear bomb?

Who knows at this stage given how fragmented leadership is overall but the deep state is likely actively making inroads in this direction.

It could range from anything progressive (power to the Iranian people) to a return to Pahlavi monarchy (like the former Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi) or even to those who advocate for a secular, democratic Iran. All of which are more Israel friendly and slated towards greater dignity and more agreeable future in the Middle East

 

[Cherry Brigand]

That's what happens when naive people vote for buffoons.

They get served up a bunch of war, chaos, and an ever-depreciating dollar.

Congrats on your win.

You think Kamala and Biden weren't buffoons? Game is rigged pally.

 

[avenue94]

so if we have an agreement for you not to make bombs but you instead murder people and hire killers everything is cool? You honored your agreement? lol.

Yup. That's literally what an agreements are, they address specific issues or matters, not every single thing in the world.

And it’s hilarious how you simply call it “proxy warfare” as if it’s just BAU shit and not literally sponsoring terrorism and actively engaging in war. Just a little warfare and regional terrorism. No biggie.

Israel and Iran both sponsor terrorism and proxies. Unless you think the boogie man was the one blowing up Iranian scientists before the deal?

Kind of rich you're bringing this up given Israel is currently sponsoring terrorists and criminals in Gaza because they think those groups will counterbalance Hamas.

So again, can you point to a clause or part of JCPOA that Iran violated?

 

[Siver!]

You think Kamala and Biden weren't buffoons? Game is rigged pally.

It wasn't the best opposition, but give me a real politician over the guy in the corner rambling on about deals while his every move seems to backfire internationally and domestically.

If you can't stop everything going to shit, just hold your hands up and admit some things are outside your control.

When we're watching clownworld unfold in real time, the last thing we need is a guy donning orange face paint and pretending he's going to magically fix shit.

 

[fedoriswar37]

So's poisoning a country's water supply. Strategic doesn't mean legal. Like I keep pointing out, everyone wants to say nuclear scientists are fair game until they're American or western.

Those aren't the same thing tho lol your just going off on some wierd tangent . Your comparing poisoning an entire population to hitting strategic targets. The goal is to not let Iran's barbaric government have nuclear weapons, not remove their entire population from existence .

 

[BluntForceTrama]

Yeah, but the big difference here is USA aren't an outlet.

Israel are plainly saying they aren't going to stop until they have achieved whatever it is they want to achieve, so why is Trump talking about deals?

Either Iran surrenders all of their nuclear capabilities to Israel's satisfaction, or Israel keeps attacking. Iran isn't going to do that, so this war is going to keep going.

That much is absolutely plain.

At the point that Iran does consider surrendering to Israel, it really won't have anything to do with Trump apart from some silly ceremony where everyone involved pretends he had some say in it. But he won't, because this is a war predicated on a specific issue where neither country is ready to back down.

The mullahs may have no choice but to capitulate if the situation gets dire which appears to be unfolding.

 

[avenue94]

Who knows at this stage given how fragmented leadership is overall but the deep state is likely actively making inroads in this direction.

How many successful revolutions can you name where there wasn't a charismatic leader or leading party with popular support ready to replace the old regime?

And you think the deep state that is currently keeping a lid on Iran's population and using nuclear development as a bargaining chip is going to give up nuclear weapons?

It could range from anything progressive (power to the Iranian people) to a return to Pahlavi monarchy (like the former Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi) or even to those who advocate for a secular, democratic Iran.

The fact that you think a representative of the old regime that was so corrupt and unpopular that it cleared the way for today's regime is a viable candidate to lead Iran in the 2020's is insane lol. That's about as a clear an admission that there doesn't exist a popular candidate or coalition for Iranians to rally around as there can be.

Democracies don't just magically spring forth like Athena from Zeus' skull.

 

[Bacco]

All I'm seeing now it big Israeli tiddies

This thread has taken a turn for the better

Alhamdulillah

But i don't want to be called hero for that, just did my duty as real Sherbro

 

[avenue94]

Those aren't the same thing tho lol your just going off on some wierd tangent . Your comparing poisoning an entire population to hitting strategic targets. The goal is to not let Iran's barbaric government have nuclear weapons, not remove their entire population from existence .

So are the nuclear scientists who work on Israel's illegal nuclear weapons arsenal fair game then?

You're the one arguing that strategic value nullifies basic international law regarding warfare.

And Israel's goal isn't really to stop Iran's nuclear arsenal. Otherwise they would have not torpedoed JCPOA, which was more effective than any active measures Israel has taken.

The mullahs may have no choice but to capitulate if the situation gets dire which appears to be unfolding.

Then what? A liberal Western democracy magically springs forth?

 

[BluntForceTrama]

How many successful revolutions can you name where there wasn't a charismatic leader or leading party with popular support ready to replace the old regime?

And you think the deep state that is currently keeping a lid on Iran's population and using nuclear development as a bargaining chip is going to give up nuclear weapons?

The fact that you think a representative of the old regime that was so corrupt and unpopular that it cleared the way for today's regime is a viable candidate to lead Iran in the 2020's is insane lol. That's about as a clear an admission that there doesn't exist a popular candidate or coalition for Iranians to rally around as there can be.

Democracies don't just magically spring forth like Athena from Zeus' skull.

And you think the current regime and perspective has the momentum to perpetuate? Lol

 

[Aegon Spengler]

Nuclear scientists seem like legit targets to me, but obviously launching missiles into another country is an act of war. That’s the bigger deal.

The problem with endlessly supporting Israel, even if you are going to overlook what they are doing in Gaza and the fact that they have their own illegal nuclear weapons program, is that they won't define what their own borders should be. They won't say where it ends, not officially.

That is because right wing politicians in Israel believe in "The Greater Israel project" - and not secretly, out in the open. Israel's minister of finance, Bezalel Smotrich, has been quoted as saying "Jerusalem's destiny is to extend to Damascus" , he is also on the record stating "Gaza must be completely destroyed." If you walked up to him and asked him what he thought he would just tell you. It doesn't get reported on much but you do see it here and there.

According to Minister Smotrich Israel should annex not only the West Bank but also parts of Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq to complete a "greater Israel" in order to keep Israel secure. https://www.axios.com/2023/03/20/bezalel-smotrich-jordan-greater-israel-map-palestinians

He has gone as far as to say "there is no such thing as a Palestinian people" - these are the kind of people making decisions in Israel, which means there will be endless conflicts and wars over territory as long they keep getting a blank cheque from the USA to do whatever they want. Gaza is only the beginning, the very tip of the iceberg, and Iran is one of the few powers in the region who openly oppose this vision. Now, Iran is also run by evil shitbags who need to die - but why should anyone in the west be involved in this kind of horrible insanity? The only reason we care is because of the oil.