Isn't it kind of grimmy how the financial struggles of UFC fighters is put on display?

Poor taste ? Coming from Dana ? Noooooooooo.

The guy thinks he's above fighters just cause he mak myes a lot of money. He's a slimy hype man as far as I'm concerned.

He loves being the main man. The one with all the power. I like it when fighters stand up to the bald cnut though.
 
The pleading for a post fight bonus is a bit sad but at the same time it's basically the main source of income, or they try to make it be so it's also understandable.
 
Like how in TUF Season 26, Dana had Justin and Eddie race for fucking 800 meters for 10g's.
I know it's a challenge that's part of a reality show but still, even making that a thing and having your LW champion swim for 10 grand sounds like some authoritarian shit.

... or how fighters beg on national TV or ppv for a bonus or say shit like "I can finally quit my part time job"

Idk, maybe I'm just overreacting but to me it's distasteful to have UFC fighters financial struggles be displayed constantly and it really makes the sport look bush league.

What do you think?
Taste and class are words I would've hardly ever related to the ufc anyways especially with their mob background lol

But to answer, yea. They do questionable shit like that time to time.
 
Idk, maybe I'm just overreacting but to me it's distasteful to have UFC fighters financial struggles be displayed constantly and it really makes the sport look bush league.

Are you saying that you don't mind the UFC paying the fighters in such a way that they have financial struggles, but you wish they'd hide it better from the public? Or that you'd like the fighters to be paid better?
 
Most people in this forum are not getting paid more than the lowest fighters. Also not many jobs out there that you can't look up a salary for. I feel the world is pretty transparent.
 
To be fair, that seems more like a "reality show contest" thing than a UFC thing. I can imagine them doing that on plenty of competitive type shows because they probably do.
 
The public pleading / begging is something that I don't recall seeing in other sports.

Other sports have underclasses that can barely make a living. Tennis players outside the main circuit make little money but have significant expenses. MLB minor league players make peanuts. I used to hear stories about pro cyclists that were barely paid (that may or may not have been cleaned up in recent years)

2 differences come to mind:

1. Competitors in other sports who cannot make a living are generally at the lowest rungs of the profession. They don't get interviewed much. In addition, since they are not (yet) particularly good at their profession, there is much less expectation that they make much money. The UFC is unusual because athletes seemingly near the top (ranked and fighting on PPV cards) often complain about financial troubles.

2. The rules of competition and compensation are fairly clear and standardized in most sports. As a tennis pro, you don't need to the approval of the Head of Wimbledon to get invited to the tournament or receive a certain prize money. You get invited based on your record and you get paid based on how many matches you win. A tennis player's off court earnings are more variable but, again, there seems to be very few limitations by the tennis associations or tournaments regarding sponsorships. Most other sports have unions or similar systems that creates floors (and ceilings) to athlete earnings.

But as somebody else mentioned, maybe part of it is unique to the reality tv show ethic that developed from TUF and ties to pro wrestling. Dana obviously wants to be part of the show (or sometimes the entire show). Fighters having to publicly beg for scraps is perhaps part of that tv show.
 
Yeah, because socialism is a much better alternative.

Isn't every other 1st world country in the world socialist? Also socialism isnt a bad word and no one even the most progressive are asking for 100% income equality, or anything like that, or 100% socialist country. Stop reading biased news and actually learn what people are asking for. Trump did great at making certain words bad. Never seen so many people use the "left" "Antifacists are a gang and bad" "socialist" "radical progressives" all as bad words. I think the previous generation would be ashamed of some of the decisions and ways the people talk these days about things.

Our country is broken, the fact that the richest got even richer in the pandemic while the poor got more poor and the middle class continues to disappear is disgusting.

I don't think fighters should shut up about money, but if they are only like 5-6 fights in their career I dont think its resonable to ask for a huge pay raise. Should probably include basic things like fighter pay tiers, based on the amount of fights you get at least X, they can negotiate the other areas as well but their should be solid pay tiers. That way everyone knows at min. how much they can make.
 
Isn't every other 1st world country in the world socialist?
No, they're not <Lmaoo>.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_states#/media/File:Socialist_states_by_duration.png

Also socialism isnt a bad word and no one even the most progressive are asking for 100% income equality, or anything like that, or 100% socialist country. Stop reading biased news and actually learn what people are asking for. Trump did great at making certain words bad. Never seen so many people use the "left" "Antifacists are a gang and bad" "socialist" "radical progressives" all as bad words. I think the previous generation would be ashamed of some of the decisions and ways the people talk these days about things.
How you made all those assumptions about me simply because I suggested that socialism wasn't a better alternative has me wondering if I should laugh at you or shake my head in disappointment.

the fact that the richest got even richer in the pandemic while the poor got more poor and the middle class continues to disappear is disgusting.
You're disgusted that the economy took a hit during a global pandemic?

I don't think fighters should shut up about money, but if they are only like 5-6 fights in their career I dont think its resonable to ask for a huge pay raise. Should probably include basic things like fighter pay tiers, based on the amount of fights you get at least X, they can negotiate the other areas as well but their should be solid pay tiers. That way everyone knows at min. how much they can make.
Fighters lack negotiation power because the UFC doesn't have any competition, but it's not the UFC's fault that other companies can't compete. However, fighters not being capped on sponsorship money would be as simple as the UFC getting rid of Reebok and replacing it with nothing (i.e. going back to how things were Pre-Reebok). At least then the fighters could try and get as much money possible through their own hustle and wouldn't be limited based solely on the number of fights they've had in the UFC (which is why your suggestion is a bad idea, because those exclusive deals for the entire roster will never be better than a free market-oriented system).
 
Considering that you're equating wanting pro fighters to get payed more to this gibberish you just wrote, i just want to tell you from the bottom of my heart that i'm sorry for you being the way you are.
I don't necessarily put the blame on you though, it wasn't your fault being born in a country with an educational system that abysmal.

I think you missed the joke.
 
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You’re doing exactly what he’s talking about. Instead of realizing the industry is broken, you blame the fighters for being poor. Your best advice is for them to not enter a multi billion dollar company that for some reason is paying peanuts
McDonald's is a multimillion-dollar company that pay peanuts my point is no one is forcing them to be fighters is well documented how poor MMA pay especially to the lower tier fighters but that doesn't stop people from wanting to be fighters and that's not on Dana or the UFC.
 
There needs to be a yearly minimum salary for guys based upon how many fights they have. Say 50k minimum, 75k if you do two fights and 100k if you fight three times. Add in some mandatory appearances promoting the UFC/Reebok/Monster in their home town and make fighting a livable career for them.

I wonder how much better the fights would be if 85% of the roster didn't have a second job.

They should also put a few dollars into a 401k for each fighter every time they fight.
Then they should not be allowed to turn down a fight.
 
No, they're not <Lmaoo>.


How you made all those assumptions about me simply because I suggested that socialism wasn't a better alternative has me wondering if I should laugh at you or shake my head in disappointment.


You're disgusted that the economy took a hit during a global pandemic?


Fighters lack negotiation power because the UFC doesn't have any competition, but it's not the UFC's fault that other companies can't compete. However, fighters not being capped on sponsorship money would be as simple as the UFC getting rid of Reebok and replacing it with nothing (i.e. going back to how things were Pre-Reebok). At least then the fighters could try and get as much money possible through their own hustle and wouldn't be limited based solely on the number of fights they've had in the UFC (which is why your suggestion is a bad idea, because those exclusive deals for the entire roster will never be better than a free market-oriented system).

Good map, inserting link. I would consider Canada, the UK, and some other countries as socialist, same as the scandinavian countries. But the main problem is probably the optics on what we focus on during discussing what a country is or not. I would say the UK is certainly less capitalist then America. However I can see how I could be wrong based on the literal definition of socialism. Again good link and interesting.

I dont make assumed based on your one post. It was in general observation based on like 2 minutes on sherdogs war room. I do think moving more towards socialism for medical and education systems would help this country wayyyyy more then the current system, we already play tons of taxes and with adjustments on current spending we could do that without raising taxes. I also have other areas I totally disagree with being run as capitalist (like....the prison system), but I dont want to wind this into a battle of political theory. Not afraid of saying I am wrong.

Im disgusted that during the pandemic top 1% profited off it by taking advantage of the rest of the world during a time when it would be nice to see them help the rest of the population that keeps them full pockets.

We currently have a free market orientated system yet tons of fighters are struggling. Yes they could pick a different profession blah blah blah, but I think their needs to be an enforced floor but not ceiling at least that way people know exactly what they are getting into and can decide if thats what they want to do. I also think their needs to be enforced rules for promotions such as health coverage, payments held in secure 3rd parties (UFC doesn't have this issue but many, many others do, etc.). EDIT: No pro fighters should be getting 500.00 for fighting. This is in regard to smaller promotions like even bellator.

I do agree with getting rid of the current sponsor system, seems like its pretty bad for the fighters. Like Conor or Izzy or any of those top fighters getting 40K or whatever in sponsorship when they could be banking much more if allowed to have options.

I dont think it should be 100% socialist, nor do most others. But this is doing to unwind as a huge political battle so I am good, don't need the force this into the war room.
 
McDonald's is a multimillion-dollar company that pay peanuts my point is no one is forcing them to be fighters is well documented how poor MMA pay especially to the lower tier fighters but that doesn't stop people from wanting to be fighters and that's not on Dana or the UFC.
McDonald’s is a billion dollar company.. and it’s a problem too. I’m sorry did you think pointing out another wrong would convince me you were right?

I know though. You think capitalism is some fair playing ground and the only people losing have some major character flaw. Hate to break the illusion for you, but it is not. And people like you wanting to believe it saw badly are effectively helping the rich create a modern aristocracy. Do me a favor, look up monopsony and tell me how it applies to the ufc and how it screws fighters over. Then tell me if you think a monopsony fits into the capitalist model.
 
A lot of people that rag on fighter pay are very ethnocentric. News flash, not every country is like America. $16K/16K win bonus 3 times a year is absolutely balling out of control in most of the world. 2 years of that and you never have to work another day in your life. This is the reality. Maybe instead of complaining, American fighters should choose a more lucrative career. Like, you chose to be a cage fighter, what did you expect?
 
What's the point in paying someone more if they agree to do it for less?
 
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