Islamic State/Iraq Thread v3: The Caliphate Reaches Montreal

[new_mexico1]

I went back and fact checked. The chick from cnn was wrong. What she should have said was that they performed over 150 air strikes in August.

Ah, man.

 

[Rusk]

how much of a mongoloid you got to be to think an earthquake was a divine intervention? wouldnt it be much easier for alla to just freaking kill all the "enemies" of the caliphate by stopping their hearts or some type of shit like that? jesus christ you have to be idiot...

Because God wants people to strive/struggle/Jihad. If God would just stop hearts of enemies of the one true faith, there would be no Jihad/Struggle.

 

[Zankou]

So then should they have rebelled and refused isis manpower, weapons and experience?
Heres an exellent recent article on the subject
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/22/syria-iraq-incubators-isis-jihad

That Khedery article is a complete trainwreck. They failed to mention Khedery's background. Taken from Khedery's own website, cut and pasted:

"Fluent in Arabic, Ali Khedery was previously an executive and senior adviser with ExxonMobil Corporation. He was the architect and chief political negotiator of the company

 

[Orgasmo]

-Im not downplaying anything iv openly said there was violence , YOU are the one pretending its some one sided affair where the shia are pure white and the sunni are pure evil ..are we gonna pretend shia wernt killing sunni in history too ? or that western troops didnt die at the hands of shia militas working with the likes of hez and quds?
YOU are the one pretending this thing hasnt snowballed rapidly due to malakis documented actions , from daily terrorism from extremists grops on both sides to full scale open warfare with tens of thousands joining a rebellion and then letting ISIS in.

-Thats ISIS , iraqis and forigeners are joining ISIS and commiting attrocities yes ...we arent talking about ISIS are we? we are talking about the sunni tribes and ex military who fight alongside ISIS , the ones we are in talks with right this minute.

- Thats odd sunni kurds and sunni syrian rebels have been some of ISIS most deadly enemies up to now , sunni saudia arabia and qatar have pumped millions to some of the very people best at killing ISIS in syria
Your point about it being the true face of a religion would mean the same would have to be said for the lords resistance army for christans or assads shabiha shia fanatics for shia etc

- Historic pattern for someone who belives in a grand 'agenda' , for the rest of us its a deal thatl hurt ISIS both militarily and propaganda wise badly and the costs are issues we in the west wanted implemented anyway

-Settle down there lil fella just thought it was a very similar posting style , have already said i could be wrong

Yes you are downplaying Sunni atrocities. "Some violence" does not describe the mass scale violence against Shiites before Maliki. It does not explain Sunni tribes aligning themselves with AQI before 2006. They were harboring and working with Sunni jihadists before Maliki. It also doesn't address why Sunnis systematically oppressed Shiites in Iraq and other Arab states for centuries. It's a pre-existing pattern of violence and betrayal that was already in place.

Let's just say Maliki's tactics and policies alienated the Sunni tribes after US withdrawal, and "innocent" Sunnis are all victims. Why are the Sunnis killing thousands of civilians from minority groups in the north that had nothing to do with Maliki's government? How does ethnic cleansing after defeating the Iraqi army in June express their political grievance? It is a question you keep on avoiding by saying "some Sunnis are doing evil things". It's not just some Sunnis, but a systematic genocide. The Sunni tribes did nothing to prevent it and in fact participated in the process by assisting ISIS. You don't get to claim innocence.

The same Sunni scumbags now want the world's help just after two months, with fresh blood on their hands. They're doing it not because they felt guilty, but because ISIS is consolidating power in its territory by absorbing other groups. They're powerless to resist so they want to switch sides again. News for you and Sunnis, the world doesn't forget treachery easily, especially not Iraqi Shiites. Nobody in their right mind will trust the Sunnis again, not Shiites, not Kurds, not Christians, not Yazidis and not Turkmen. I don't know who you refer to by rest of us, but you've been the only one speaking in favour for the Sunnis in these threads. Are you imagining you have friends?

As for "similar" posting style, I'm guessing you are referring to the use of punctuations and capital letters? Since when did proper grammar become a posting style. Next time you make an accusation, perhaps you should think it over in your head first. It makes you look stupid when you throw unsubstantiated claims around.

 

[Orgasmo]

Clearly says ISIS are doing those things
We have been talking about those allied with them .the very people our goverments and the shia and kurds are talking with now about turning on ISIS
No one debates ISIS arent evil but they are only part of this uprising

why would sunnis not involved with the ongoing pre isis terror attacks suddenly side en masse with isis and those other groups is what we have been discussing
http://www.hrw.org/world-report-2012/world-report-2012-iraq
http://www.hrw.org/world-report/2013/country-chapters/iraq?page=1
http://www.hrw.org/world-report/2014/country-chapters/iraq?page=3
Here of courseis a little sample why the local sunnis might have felt siding with isis and their own local extremists was needed
This of course ignores the support malaki provided for assad next door in his horrific crimes agaisnt sunnis ...boneheaded stupid blunder for a leader of a divided nation like iraq or deliberate provocation to draw more power to himself when reprisals happen? which one of those 2 do you think it was?

Here is an important fact. ISIS is composed of Sunnis, and they are the most powerful group in Sunni areas in Syria and Iraq. Hundreds of Sunnis are joining their ranks each day. That there is enough proof that what ISIS is doing has basis for support amongst Sunni population, including genocide of minorities. Maliki being a poor leader and alienating Sunnis does not make a person want to go on an ethnic cleansing rampage unless there was already deep seated hatred against other groups.

The majority of Sunni groups being good guys alienated is a myth perpetuated by apologists. They are not only doing nothing to stop the slaughter, they are enabling ISIS by fighting alongside them. ISIS cannot get to where it is today without its base support. In the past two weeks, Shiite militia and Peshmerga have shown that they can roll back ISIS with American assistance, without Sunni tribes. Don't overinflate the worthiness of Sunni militants in this fight.

 

[Sauron]

Orgasmo pretty much bang on the money.

What does whoyougonnacall think is going to trust the sunni's in Iraq?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-29026491?print=true

BBC News
MIDDLE EAST
2 September 2014 Last updated at 12:22
Iraq crisis: Islamic State accused of ethnic cleansing

Amnesty International says it has new evidence Islamic State militants are carrying out "a wave of ethnic cleansing" against minorities in northern Iraq.
The human rights group said IS had turned the region into "blood-soaked killing fields".
The UN earlier announced it was sending a team to Iraq to investigate "acts of inhumanity on an unimaginable scale".

IS and allied Sunni rebels have seized large swathes of Iraq and Syria.

Thousands of people have been killed, the majority of them civilians, and more than a million have been forced to flee their homes in recent months.

Latest reports say angry relatives of soldiers abducted by IS have forced their way into the parliament building in the capital, Baghdad. Riot police have been trying to bring the situation under control, the Agence France-Presse news agency reports.
An Amnesty report released on Tuesday said it had gathered proof that several mass killings took place in the northern region of Sinjar in August.
Two of the deadliest took place when IS fighters raided villages and killed hundreds of people on 3 August and 15 August.

"Groups of men and boys including children as young as 12 from both villages were seized by IS militants, taken away and shot," the UK-based group said.
"IS is carrying out despicable crimes and has transformed rural areas of Sinjar into blood-soaked killing fields in its brutal campaign to obliterate all trace of non-Arabs and non-Sunni Muslims."

Analysis: Jim Muir, BBC News, Irbil
Unlike almost any armed faction in history, Islamic State (IS) militants go out of their way to advertise and publicise their most atrocious deeds on the internet.
They include the mass murder of hundreds of Shia soldiers or militia captured in Tikrit, the similar fate dealt to scores of Syrian troops taken prisoner after the fall of Tabqa airbase last month, several filmed decapitations - including US journalist James Foley - and many other blood-curdling incidents.

The goal is clearly to strike fear into their opponents, a tactic that, combined with lightning strikes out of the blue, has certainly triggered panic and flight in some places.
But some of their opponents have dismissed all this as psychological warfare. Syrian Kurdish fighters have been clashing with IS for over a year without help, often defeating them. Iraqi Kurdish, Shia and government forces are also starting to push back, with a little help from outside friends.

On Monday, the United Nations Human Rights Council agreed to deploy an emergency mission to investigate crimes allegedly carried out by IS.

Deputy Human Rights Commissioner Flavia Pansieri warned that IS (formerly known as Isis) was targeting Christian, Yazidi, Turkmen, Shabak, Kaka'i, Sabean and Shia communities "through particularly brutal persecution".

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Meanwhile, Iraqi Shia militias and Kurdish forces have continued their advance against IS, seizing the militant stronghold of Suleiman Beg on Monday.

Earlier, the joint forces had broken a two-month siege by IS fighters in the northern town of Amerli.

The militias said Iran had played a role in the recent operations, supplying weapons and helping with military planning.

Thousands of minority Shia Turkmen had been holding out in Amerli, and the UN had expressed fears there could be a massacre if IS captured it.

The BBC's Gabriel Gatehouse, who entered the town on Monday, found residents happy to be reunited with their families.

They told him there was a huge amount of work to do to get back to normal.
Our correspondent says there are still pockets of IS resistance in the area, meaning that travel to the town remains problematic.

Outgoing Prime Minister Nouri Maliki visited Amerli on Monday, saying: "Our enemy is retreating and our security forces backed by volunteers are advancing to purge further towns."

Correspondents say the recent advances are the biggest success by Iraqi and Kurdish forces against IS in recent months.

Reported atrocities by Islamic State (IS) in Iraq
At least 1,000 members of the Yazidi faith are thought to have been killed in recent weeks, with close to 2,750 kidnapped or enslaved

12 June - Following an IS attack on an Iraqi air force base near the city of Tikrit, more than 1,500 young soldiers went missing; many bodies were subsequently found in the Dijla River

2 July - IS fighters entered the village of Omar Khan in the Nimrod area of Nineveh province, looking for Shabak people, many of them Shia; they kidnapped some 40 Shabak and Turkmen
7 July - IS stormed the village of al-Rashidiya in Mosul, and abducted 40 Turkmen; some were killed

10 July - At least 650 male inmates of Badouch Prison in Mosul were murdered by IS; witnesses say inmates claiming to be Sunni were transported away, while Shia or members of other religious and ethnic communities were ordered into ditches and shot

3 August - Dozens of men and boys were killed on the edge of the village of Qinyeh, south-east of Sinjar after a group of 300 or more Yazidis fleeing nearby Tal Qasab were caught by IS, survivors say

15 August - The mainly Yazidi village of Cotcho, south of Sinjar, was attacked by IS fighters; survivors say at least 100 men were killed, and hundreds of women and children were abducted

Sources: UN, Amnesty International
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[Orgasmo]

That Khedery article is a complete trainwreck. They failed to mention Khedery's background. Taken from Khedery's own website, cut and pasted:

"Fluent in Arabic, Ali Khedery was previously an executive and senior adviser with ExxonMobil Corporation. He was the architect and chief political negotiator of the company

 

[Sauron]

Also, remember that the shia in bahrain, saudi arabia and pakistan are massively oppressed and killed. YET....they are not going on murderous rampages like their sunni counterparts.

whoyougonnacall will simply ignore that fact, and fails to see the logic, and how it smashes his argument to pieces. as Orgasmo said, you don't start a genocide against EVERYONE because you don't have control of certain ministries in parliament. I'm bored of this sunni victimhood narrative.

 

[Ayin]

how much of a mongoloid you got to be to think an earthquake was a divine intervention? wouldnt it be much easier for alla to just freaking kill all the "enemies" of the caliphate by stopping their hearts or some type of shit like that? jesus christ you have to be idiot...

We have people in the first world, well educated, who comment that natural disasters are (whatever) god's (they worship) wrath for everything from foreign policy to 'the gays, which is (to me, from the outside) COMPLETELY reasonable.

If you believe that your G/god(s) is/are real, and that the record of your faith is true, and that your G/god(s) is/are capable of doing such things and 100% have done so in the past (in the form of floods, turnng water to blood, killing children, destroying cities, turning people into pillars of salt, hitting them with lightning, whatever) in similar circumstances for similar reasons, why would you not believe it could (and would/will) happen again?

 

[whougonnacall]

That Khedery article is a complete trainwreck. They failed to mention Khedery's background. Taken from Khedery's own website, cut and pasted:

"Fluent in Arabic, Ali Khedery was previously an executive and senior adviser with ExxonMobil Corporation. He was the architect and chief political negotiator of the company

 

[whougonnacall]

-Yes you are downplaying Sunni atrocities. "Some violence" does not describe the mass scale violence against Shiites before Maliki. It does not explain Sunni tribes aligning themselves with AQI before 2006. They were harboring and working with Sunni jihadists before Maliki. It also doesn't address why Sunnis systematically oppressed Shiites in Iraq and other Arab states for centuries. It's a pre-existing pattern of violence and betrayal that was already in place.

-Let's just say Maliki's tactics and policies alienated the Sunni tribes after US withdrawal, and "innocent" Sunnis are all victims. Why are the Sunnis killing thousands of civilians from minority groups in the north that had nothing to do with Maliki's government? How does ethnic cleansing after defeating the Iraqi army in June express their political grievance? It is a question you keep on avoiding by saying "some Sunnis are doing evil things". It's not just some Sunnis, but a systematic genocide. The Sunni tribes did nothing to prevent it and in fact participated in the process by assisting ISIS. You don't get to claim innocence.

-The same Sunni scumbags now want the world's help just after two months, with fresh blood on their hands. They're doing it not because they felt guilty, but because ISIS is consolidating power in its territory by absorbing other groups. They're powerless to resist so they want to switch sides again. News for you and Sunnis, the world doesn't forget treachery easily, especially not Iraqi Shiites. Nobody in their right mind will trust the Sunnis again, not Shiites, not Kurds, not Christians, not Yazidis and not Turkmen. I don't know who you refer to by rest of us, but you've been the only one speaking in favour for the Sunnis in these threads. Are you imagining you have friends?

-As for "similar" posting style, I'm guessing you are referring to the use of punctuations and capital letters? Since when did proper grammar become a posting style. Next time you make an accusation, perhaps you should think it over in your head first. It makes you look stupid when you throw unsubstantiated claims around.

- So there wasnt any violence comming the other way then? both sides commited attrocities before malaki agasint each other and both sides killed western troops
This however is full scale rebellion

-Hardcore followers of ISIS are killing those people , we arent discussing the hardcore followers nor have we been and you know that
We are discussing the thousands of sunnis who fight alongside them

-The shias and kurds are the ones reaching out to them ...this was literaly made possible by shia politicans and kurdish disgust of malaki, they probably have a little more insight in the people they are dealing with than you and they trust them

-Cry about it some more I have already said a few times now it was a hunch that could be wrong

 

[Orgasmo]

- So there wasnt any violence comming the other way then? both sides commited attrocities before malaki agasint each other and both sides killed western troops
This however is full scale rebellion

-Hardcore followers of ISIS are killing those people , we arent discussing the hardcore followers nor have we been and you know that
We are discussing the thousands of sunnis who fight alongside them

-The shias and kurds are the ones reaching out to them ...this was literaly made possible by shia politicans and kurdish disgust of malaki, they probably have a little more insight in the people they are dealing with than you and they trust them

-Cry about it some more I have already said a few times now it was a hunch that could be wrong

You cannot expect Shiites not to retaliate. The scale of violence were not equal. Western casualties were significantly higher in Sunni areas during the US occupation. The Shiites are not slaughtering Kurds, Christians, Yazidis and Turkmen by the thousands either. These are facts you keep on ignoring like both sides are of equal blame. Full scale rebellion does not explain genocide by Sunnis. Your tagline that "both are to blame equally, especially Maliki's Shiite dictatorship" is both false and tiresome.

You keep attempting to excuse the crimes of the Sunnis by pinning it on "hardcore ISIS". There is a reason ISIS has more support and fighters than all other Sunni groups combined. The locals love them and are joining them by the doves. Hitler couldn't start the Holocaust without millions of Germans supporting him. ISIS cannot have grown to the monster it is without Sunnis backing it. Just as Germans didn't get to say it was just the Nazis and not them, you don't get to claim Sunnis have clean hands from ISIS atrocities. Nobody is reaching out to Sunnis. The ground offensive is mainly conducted by Shiite militia, Iraqi army, Kurdish Peshmerga with Iranian advisors. Don't for a second try to claim credit for recent ISIS setback on behalf of the Sunni militants.

I would call you a paranoid idiot for your claim that Sauron and I are the same person, but I think everyone already knew that. When you think everyone is out to get you, it's usually just you.

 

[whougonnacall]

-Here is an important fact. ISIS is composed of Sunnis, and they are the most powerful group in Sunni areas in Syria and Iraq. Hundreds of Sunnis are joining their ranks each day. That there is enough proof that what ISIS is doing has basis for support amongst Sunni population, including genocide of minorities.
Maliki being a poor leader and alienating Sunnis does not make a person want to go on an ethnic cleansing rampage unless there was already deep seated hatred against other groups.

-The majority of Sunni groups being good guys alienated is a myth perpetuated by apologists. They are not only doing nothing to stop the slaughter, they are enabling ISIS by fighting alongside them. ISIS cannot get to where it is today without its base support.
In the past two weeks, Shiite militia and Peshmerga have shown that they can roll back ISIS with American assistance, without Sunni tribes. Don't overinflate the worthiness of Sunni militants in this fight.

- They have been attracting lots of followers but that doesnt mean everyone fighting alongside them believes what they belive otherwise they wouldnt have kicked similar extremists out before or be talking about doing it again
By the same logic then an est 10k+ iranian and iraqi shia fanatics came to help assad butcher sunnis.....does that mean thay also all deep down have a deep seated desire to kill?

-Not stopping and taking part are 2 very different things , the fanatics who take part are of course unreachable and would never leave isis and will have to be put down
Those who are allied but not commited signed up for a cause thats no longer there are no looking elsewhere
They did this with a massive amount of airr strikes and us pretty much rearming the entire peshmerga ..now imagine how much they could do with thousands of sunni renforcements back in uniform for the regular armed forces and the tribes lauanching an insurgency behind their lines....tell me thats not even more damaging to isis both militarily and propaganda wise.


also a poor leader? u read that and thought poor leader?
bush jr was a poor leader, obama is a poor leader ...what malaki did was tyranny
On top of that his assistance for assad while being leader of a country rife with sectarian violence can only be 2 things ......massive stupidity or a strategy to provoke

 

[whougonnacall]

Also, remember that the shia in bahrain, saudi arabia and pakistan are massively oppressed and killed. YET....they are not going on murderous rampages like their sunni counterparts.

whoyougonnacall will simply ignore that fact, and fails to see the logic, and how it smashes his argument to pieces. as Orgasmo said, you don't start a genocide against EVERYONE because you don't have control of certain ministries in parliament. I'm bored of this sunni victimhood narrative.

They arent massivley opressed in pakistan
In bahrain and SA there isnt the possibility of going on murderous rampages...you need weapons and no massive goverment security apparatus to do that.

 

[whougonnacall]

-You cannot expect Shiites not to retaliate. The scale of violence were not equal. Western casualties were significantly higher in Sunni areas during the US occupation.
-The Shiites are not slaughtering Kurds, Christians, Yazidis and Turkmen by the thousands either. These are facts you keep on ignoring like both sides are of equal blame. Full scale rebellion does not explain genocide by Sunnis. Your tagline that "both are to blame equally, especially Maliki's Shiite dictatorship" is both false and tiresome.

-You keep attempting to excuse the crimes of the Sunnis by pinning it on "hardcore ISIS". There is a reason ISIS has more support and fighters than all other Sunni groups combined. The locals love them and are joining them by the doves. Hitler couldn't start the Holocaust without millions of Germans supporting him. ISIS cannot have grown to the monster it is without Sunnis backing it. Just as Germans didn't get to say it was just the Nazis and not them, you don't get to claim Sunnis have clean hands from ISIS atrocities. Nobody is reaching out to Sunnis.
The ground offensive is mainly conducted by Shiite militia, Iraqi army, Kurdish Peshmerga with Iranian advisors. Don't for a second try to claim credit for recent ISIS setback on behalf of the Sunni militants.

I would call you a paranoid idiot for your claim that Sauron and I are the same person, but I think everyone already knew that. When you think everyone is out to get you, it's usually just you.

-Ooh I get it now it was ALL retaliation then right?

-No one is saying that the facts on the ground are malaki provoked a full scale rebellion giving ISIS a golden oppertunity to do what they do.
Local sunnis are joining them but many want them gone as the reasons for bringing them in are eroding.

- The same locals about to kill them? it grew into the moster it is for many reasons to pretend its all some sunni 'agenda' is to live in denial
Its interesting you bring up germany and the nazis...by your own logic you would have cleansed germany of humans

and yeah I broke down why they have been sucessful agasint isis I never said sunni tribes were involved (read it back) I pointed out how much BETTER it would be if we had their help.

-again? ok you are a special unique little snowflake .....better? now wipe those tears princess its going to be ok.

 

[Orgasmo]

- They have been attracting lots of followers but that doesnt mean everyone fighting alongside them believes what they belive otherwise they wouldnt have kicked similar extremists out before or be talking about doing it again
By the same logic then an est 10k+ iranian and iraqi shia fanatics came to help assad butcher sunnis.....does that mean thay also all deep down have a deep seated desire to kill?

-Not stopping and taking part are 2 very different things , the fanatics who take part are of course unreachable and would never leave isis and will have to be put down
Those who are allied but not commited signed up for a cause thats no longer there are no looking elsewhere
They did this with a massive amount of airr strikes and us pretty much rearming the entire peshmerga ..now imagine how much they could do with thousands of sunni renforcements back in uniform for the regular armed forces and the tribes lauanching an insurgency behind their lines....tell me thats not even more damaging to isis both militarily and propaganda wise.


also a poor leader? u read that and thought poor leader?
bush jr was a poor leader, obama is a poor leader ...what malaki did was tyranny
On top of that his assistance for assad while being leader of a country rife with sectarian violence can only be 2 things ......massive stupidity or a strategy to provoke

Oh noes, Maliki is helping a fellow Shiite regime against his Sunnis nemesis. What a surprise! That's reason enough to slaughter Christians, Kurds, Yazidis, and Turkmen. Clearly I can see the strong connection there between fighting Maliki and the need to wipe out groups like that. You can't rebel without slaughtering minorities.

The fact of the matter is that Iraq is gone. There is only ISIS, western Iran and Kurdistan left. Now your Sunnis don't have to suffer anymore under Shiite governments do you? Feel free to slaughter and behead anyone not Sunni too. I'm sure the world will forget that soon. Oh don't ask for any oil revenue or government post in Baghdad.

 

[Orgasmo]

-Ooh I get it now it was ALL retaliation then right?

-No one is saying that the facts on the ground are malaki provoked a full scale rebellion giving ISIS a golden oppertunity to do what they do.
Local sunnis are joining them but many want them gone as the reasons for bringing them in are eroding.

- The same locals about to kill them? it grew into the moster it is for many reasons to pretend its all some sunni 'agenda' is to live in denial
Its interesting you bring up germany and the nazis...by your own logic you would have cleansed germany of humans

and yeah I broke down why they have been sucessful agasint isis I never said sunni tribes were involved (read it back) I pointed out how much BETTER it would be if we had their help.

-again? ok you are a special unique little snowflake .....better? now wipe those tears princess its going to be ok.

How many months of bombings did Shiites endured after 2003 invasion before the first Shiite death squad retaliated? How many years did Shiites suffered at the hands of Saddam's Sunni dominated government before that? How many centuries have Sunnis slaughtered and oppressed Shiites going back further? Given current Sunni genocide of minorities, the Shiites had been tame in comparison.

So where is the logic in killing ethnic and religious minorities after rebellion? Driving out the Iraqi army wasn't enough that your fellow Sunnis had to get into ethnic cleansing? What connection do those innocent civilians have with Maliki's tyranny that they deserve to die?

But no let's ignore all of that treachery and brutality. Everything will be fine after we help the very Sunni groups known for betrayals again. Iraq will magically unite and we'll hold hands singing. Not only do you sound like a broken record repeating the same crap over and over, you're also a paranoid idiot that thinks people would create multiple accounts just to get at you. It sounds so very Sunni.

 

[whougonnacall]

Oh noes, Maliki is helping a fellow Shiite regime against his Sunnis nemesis. What a surprise!
That's reason enough to slaughter Christians, Kurds, Yazidis, and Turkmen. Clearly I can see the strong connection there between fighting Maliki and the need to wipe out groups like that. You can't rebel without slaughtering minorities.

The fact of the matter is that Iraq is gone. There is only ISIS, western Iran and Kurdistan left. Now your Sunnis don't have to suffer anymore under Shiite governments do you? Feel free to slaughter and behead anyone not Sunni too. I'm sure the world will forget that soon. Oh don't ask for any oil revenue or government post in Baghdad.

Its highly suprising for a head of a country with ongoing sectarian violence to assist in war crimes against sunnis ...its reeks of utter stupidity or a plan to provoke so he would have grounds to claim more power, given he took 3 sperate posts within the goverment all for himself among so many other actions id say it wasnt just a huge brainfart but planned
Plenty are rebelling without slaughtering minorities ..if they were all so far gone then there wouldnt be 10s of thousands planning to turn on ISIS, your continued strawman of blurring the lines between ISIS and those allied to them as one big hive mind doesnt hold up i in light of those talks

-That'l be why the shia and kurds are talking to sunni leaders then ..just to sayy goodbye

-

 

[whougonnacall]

-How many months of bombings did Shiites endured after 2003 invasion before the first Shiite death squad retaliated? How many years did Shiites suffered at the hands of Saddam's Sunni dominated government before that? How many centuries have Sunnis slaughtered and oppressed Shiites going back further? Given current Sunni genocide of minorities, the Shiites had been tame in comparison.

So where is the logic in killing ethnic and religious minorities after rebellion? Driving out the Iraqi army wasn't enough that your fellow Sunnis had to get into ethnic cleansing? What connection do those innocent civilians have with Maliki's tyranny that they deserve to die?

But no let's ignore all of that treachery and brutality. Everything will be fine after we help the very Sunni groups known for betrayals again. Iraq will magically unite and we'll hold hands singing. Not only do you sound like a broken record repeating the same crap over and over, you're also a paranoid idiot that thinks people would create multiple accounts just to get at you. It sounds so very Sunni.

-Feels like we're going round in circles on this I seem to to be the only one admitting both sides inflicted horrors on the other and both sides have their extemists who'l never be happy

-ISIS are genocidal butn they are well armed/funded and have large numbers of fanatical troops , the local sunnis who arent ISIS took their help knowing their was strings attached but from their perspective it was better than watching what malaki was doing in iraq and assisting in syria. Lets not forget what many of those shia militas fighting ISIS were assisting in syria not too long ago was just as bad as isis.

- No one cares if they unite of hld hands singing , its the military advantages this alliance brings to the table in hurting isis and ending them faster.

At this stage it feels like we will agree to disagree on this over and over

 

[Zankou]

Lets not forget what many of those shia militas fighting ISIS were assisting in syria not too long ago was just as bad as isis.

We can't forget what never happened.

Shiite militias are no picnic, but comparing them to IS is a joke.