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Sure he's elite, just not elite elite, the likes of Volk, Izzy or GSP

The back ground to the fight was Islam being offered the p4p title, because rather than wanting to fight the best of the best and just do it for legacy, he had to have a reward. That speaks volumes.

But he forgot p4p is an objective opinion, not a title. Sure had he destroyed Volk or even had a one sided performance as some where expecting then he probably could claim the "title", but he didn't. In between where he did have success with striking, he was panic wrestling with the aim of stalling and holding position, and ended up on his back eating punches at the end of the fight.

So he needs to step up, but I don't think he can. His style relies on size and strength. He doesn't have the skill Volk has, he's not as technical in the striking, and well, Volk showed some great defensive wrestling too.

Islam to do what Volk did, probably won't happen. Would he challenge to 170 when the champ is a killer and a bad stylistic matchup? (like a prime usman?) hell no. However if a "killer" champ isn't there at the time, he can't really be faulted. However, I doubt he'll go to 170 at all. He'd lose too much of his advantage as it relies on again, size and strength.

Volk, is the better fighter. So he's able to give that performance at 155, because he relies more on skill and fight IQ. You don't lose that as much between divisions.

Volk is still no 1 p4p. Islam really needed to do a lot better than that given the advantages he had.

Only way it would swing without them fighting again, is Volk putting on mediocre performances, and Islam dominating 155.

p4p is an objective opinion, not a "title".

Also weird Islam can't objectively look at his performance the same way Izzy / Volk might and be yeah I won, but....
 
stacrafty said:
Sure he's elite, just not elite elite, the likes of Volk, Izzy or GSP

The back ground to the fight was Islam being offered the p4p title, because rather than wanting to fight the best of the best and just do it for legacy, he had to have a reward. That speaks volumes.

But he forgot p4p is an objective opinion, not a title. Sure had he destroyed Volk or even had a one sided performance as some where expecting then he probably could claim the "title", but he didn't. In between where he did have success with striking, he was panic wrestling with the aim of stalling and holding position, and ended up on his back eating punches at the end of the fight.

So he needs to step up, but I don't think he can. His style relies on size and strength. He doesn't have the skill Volk has, he's not as technical in the striking, and well, Volk showed some great defensive wrestling too.

Islam to do what Volk did, probably won't happen. Would he challenge to 170 when the champ is a killer and a bad stylistic matchup? (like a prime usman?) hell no. However if a "killer" champ isn't there at the time, he can't really be faulted. However, I doubt he'll go to 170 at all. He'd lose too much of his advantage as it relies on again, size and strength.

Volk, is the better fighter. So he's able to give that performance at 155, because he relies more on skill and fight IQ. You don't lose that as much between divisions.

Volk is still no 1 p4p. Islam really needed to do a lot better than that given the advantages he had.

Only way it would swing without them fighting again, is Volk putting on mediocre performances, and Islam dominating 155.

p4p is an objective opinion, not a "title".

Also weird Islam can't objectively look at his performance the same way Izzy / Volk might and be yeah I won, but....
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Yeah, Islam needs to get on Izzy’s level and lose his title. What a scrub.
 
stacrafty said:
Sure he's elite, just not elite elite, the likes of Volk, Izzy or GSP

The back ground to the fight was Islam being offered the p4p title, because rather than wanting to fight the best of the best and just do it for legacy, he had to have a reward. That speaks volumes.

But he forgot p4p is an objective opinion, not a title. Sure had he destroyed Volk or even had a one sided performance as some where expecting then he probably could claim the "title", but he didn't. In between where he did have success with striking, he was panic wrestling with the aim of stalling and holding position, and ended up on his back eating punches at the end of the fight.

So he needs to step up, but I don't think he can. His style relies on size and strength. He doesn't have the skill Volk has, he's not as technical in the striking, and well, Volk showed some great defensive wrestling too.

Islam to do what Volk did, probably won't happen. Would he challenge to 170 when the champ is a killer and a bad stylistic matchup? (like a prime usman?) hell no. However if a "killer" champ isn't there at the time, he can't really be faulted. However, I doubt he'll go to 170 at all. He'd lose too much of his advantage as it relies on again, size and strength.

Volk, is the better fighter. So he's able to give that performance at 155, because he relies more on skill and fight IQ. You don't lose that as much between divisions.

Volk is still no 1 p4p. Islam really needed to do a lot better than that given the advantages he had.

Only way it would swing without them fighting again, is Volk putting on mediocre performances, and Islam dominating 155.

p4p is an objective opinion, not a "title".

Also weird Islam can't objectively look at his performance the same way Izzy / Volk might and be yeah I won, but....
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LOL Islamjust embarrassed the P4P #3 and then took a competitive but decisive victory over the P4P #1. He did that in less than 4 months. Want to give him a minute? Or did you want him to go ahead and fight the winner of Gane vs Jones during Ramadan?

Also, all of those things you're suggesting that Islam can't do like look at his performance a certain way....homey, I got news for you. That's literally just you and haters. LMAO No less than 10 times in the ring and in the post-fight press conference Islam declared himself the "best fighter in the world."

But hey, you used a lot of words and wrote a lot of sentences. That's a good start. I'd also suggest trying to replace as many "probably" and "I think's" as you can and use data, facts, or expert opinion. Otherwise, yeah, it's just you hating dawg. And that's cool, you do you.
 
stacrafty said:
Sure he's elite, just not elite elite, the likes of Volk, Izzy or GSP

The back ground to the fight was Islam being offered the p4p title, because rather than wanting to fight the best of the best and just do it for legacy, he had to have a reward. That speaks volumes.

But he forgot p4p is an objective opinion, not a title. Sure had he destroyed Volk or even had a one sided performance as some where expecting then he probably could claim the "title", but he didn't. In between where he did have success with striking, he was panic wrestling with the aim of stalling and holding position, and ended up on his back eating punches at the end of the fight.

So he needs to step up, but I don't think he can. His style relies on size and strength. He doesn't have the skill Volk has, he's not as technical in the striking, and well, Volk showed some great defensive wrestling too.

Islam to do what Volk did, probably won't happen. Would he challenge to 170 when the champ is a killer and a bad stylistic matchup? (like a prime usman?) hell no. However if a "killer" champ isn't there at the time, he can't really be faulted. However, I doubt he'll go to 170 at all. He'd lose too much of his advantage as it relies on again, size and strength.

Volk, is the better fighter. So he's able to give that performance at 155, because he relies more on skill and fight IQ. You don't lose that as much between divisions.

Volk is still no 1 p4p. Islam really needed to do a lot better than that given the advantages he had.

Only way it would swing without them fighting again, is Volk putting on mediocre performances, and Islam dominating 155.

p4p is an objective opinion, not a "title".

Also weird Islam can't objectively look at his performance the same way Izzy / Volk might and be yeah I won, but....
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Islam doesn’t give a fuck what you think along with the rest of us.
 
stacrafty said:
Sure he's elite, just not elite elite, the likes of Volk, Izzy
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Volkanovski has no legs and neck. that’s how he survived. His ‘size’ was his advantage.
he got pieced up on the feet.

Volkanovski told everyone that he would win the stand up game if Islam can’t hold him down.
He got pieced up on the feet. the only succes Volkanovski had was when Islam was exhausted. It was not because of skill but because of his physical attribute.

Islam will finish Poirier. But Poirier will beat up Volkanovski.
 
stacrafty said:
Sure he's elite, just not elite elite, the likes of Volk, Izzy or GSP

The back ground to the fight was Islam being offered the p4p title, because rather than wanting to fight the best of the best and just do it for legacy, he had to have a reward. That speaks volumes.

But he forgot p4p is an objective opinion, not a title. Sure had he destroyed Volk or even had a one sided performance as some where expecting then he probably could claim the "title", but he didn't. In between where he did have success with striking, he was panic wrestling with the aim of stalling and holding position, and ended up on his back eating punches at the end of the fight.

So he needs to step up, but I don't think he can. His style relies on size and strength. He doesn't have the skill Volk has, he's not as technical in the striking, and well, Volk showed some great defensive wrestling too.

Islam to do what Volk did, probably won't happen. Would he challenge to 170 when the champ is a killer and a bad stylistic matchup? (like a prime usman?) hell no. However if a "killer" champ isn't there at the time, he can't really be faulted. However, I doubt he'll go to 170 at all. He'd lose too much of his advantage as it relies on again, size and strength.

Volk, is the better fighter. So he's able to give that performance at 155, because he relies more on skill and fight IQ. You don't lose that as much between divisions.

Volk is still no 1 p4p. Islam really needed to do a lot better than that given the advantages he had.

Only way it would swing without them fighting again, is Volk putting on mediocre performances, and Islam dominating 155.

p4p is an objective opinion, not a "title".

Also weird Islam can't objectively look at his performance the same way Izzy / Volk might and be yeah I won, but....
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Yoou know he just dominated volk...... right?
 
Redando said:
Volkanovski has no legs and neck. that’s how he survived. His ‘size’ was his advantage.
he got pieced up on the feet.

Volkanovski told everyone that he would win the stand up game if Islam can’t hold him down.
He got pieced up on the feet. the only succes Volkanovski had was when Islam was exhausted. It was not because of skill but because of his physical attribute.

Islam will finish Poirier. But Poirier will beat up Volkanovski.
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god this forum is braindead

Islam will finish porier? what weight does porier fight at dipshit? hes 155. That proves nothing

The whole crux of my OP is speculating if Islam would ever do what Volk just did - go up a weight class

And you come back with Islam will beat Porier, but Porier will beat Volk?

How are you this retarded?
 
Islam would have to defend the 155 belt several times before getting a 170 belt challenge. Don’t forget that moving up might actually reduce his deathly weight cuts and possibly show up with more energy, power, and stamina. Could surprise us.
 
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Islam doesn’t give a fuck what you think along with the rest of us.
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Islam better stay at 155 then. Just not on Volk or Izzy's level. Like I said.

If he was all that, he'd be about it. But he's not.
 
I still remember when Volk won the second Holloway fight and right away people were shitting all over him. Things got even worse after the Ortega fight. He was an overrated decision machine who couldn’t bust a grape, a paper champ who lost to Holloway, etc. I always believed that Volk would show us what he was all about in the next fights he’d have and a few months later the man gave Holloway and KZ brutal beatings. Had a wonderful performance at lw against Islam and will keep on doing great things.

Fighters are humans, Islam didn’t have the best night yet still managed to win. He can bounce back and perform better, he’s a brilliant fighter.
 
stacrafty said:
god this forum is braindead

Islam will finish porier? what weight does porier fight at dipshit? hes 155. That proves nothing

The whole crux of my OP is speculating if Islam would ever do what Volk just did - go up a weight class

And you come back with Islam will beat Porier, but Porier will beat Volk?

How are you this retarded?
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I think his strength, conditioning and possibly his chin may fare better going up to 170. Tough weight cuts deplete you in so many ways.

Most might have a reach advantage on him which will be tough but I think he will look something like he did against Green when they fought at a catch weight.

Green said he's never felt strength like Islam's and even accused him of using steroids lol.
 
On his worst night in a while, he still got the job done. He's doing just fine. I remember a time people were giving volk all kinds of shit for getting a decision that arguably could have went max's way. And a good amount of people thought it should. Champions have off nights and/or improve. Is normal.
 
Redando said:
Volkanovski has no legs and neck. that’s how he survived. His ‘size’ was his advantage.
he got pieced up on the feet.

Volkanovski told everyone that he would win the stand up game if Islam can’t hold him down.
He got pieced up on the feet. the only succes Volkanovski had was when Islam was exhausted. It was not because of skill but because of his physical attribute.

Islam will finish Poirier. But Poirier will beat up Volkanovski.
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+1
Outside of the last minute of the 5th, Islam was winning every thing. Credit to Volk, he was a formidable opponent, but he was on the defensive almost the whole time. Haters are literally grasping at straws, counting Islam slipping and tripping on his own heals as knock-downs, lol.
 
stacrafty said:
god this forum is braindead

Islam will finish porier? what weight does porier fight at dipshit? hes 155. That proves nothing

The whole crux of my OP is speculating if Islam would ever do what Volk just did - go up a weight class

And you come back with Islam will beat Porier, but Porier will beat Volk?

How are you this retarded?
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Volkanovski is not a featherweight.
He is on a diet the whole year.
He measures each and every day to be a featherweight fighter.
He already fought as a welterweight and a lightweight. It’s not his debut in the lightweight.
Volkanovski hasn’t gone up. He went back where he was before.
How many title defences did he take before he went ‘up’.
He didn’t take any risk. Everyone was expecting him to lose. if he would have been submitted in the first round. His stock wouldn’t go down.

why didn’t he accept a fight with Cejudo?
when did he put anything on the line?
Mackachev put everything on the line. He had everything to lose.
 
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