International [ISIS Repatriation] Yazidis plead with Canada not to repatriate ISIS members

Anyone hear of the ISIS fighter stuck between borders?! LOL!!!

The Turks drove him to their border crossing and pushed him out. The Greeks won’t take him in. So he sits between borders as the Turks won’t take him back! Lol!

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That’s him. And it’s been three days!!!! The Turks finally put a car out there so he isn’t stuck out in the elements

friggin hilarious story

ISIS Without Borders (spoof of Doctors Without Borders)? From the title itself, it's supposed to be a horror story, till you know the backstory...
 
America =/= Europe

my understanding is that most of Europe isn’t going to hand out more than 10 years under current laws


Why do you care about assholes who joined ISIS?

If you join them you deserve to die.
 
Why do you care about assholes who joined ISIS?

If you join them you deserve to die.
Yes because worrying that they may get a slap on the wrist (if they even get convicted) means I care about them

You can live in fantasy land where we publicly execute ISIS fighters with bullets dipped in pigs blood while the rest of us living in reality have to consider what the laws say

You’d be the first to freak out if we gave an ISIS fighter a couple of years in a hotel room (which is what some of these European prisons look like)
 
Anyone hear of the ISIS fighter stuck between borders?! LOL!!!

The Turks drove him to their border crossing and pushed him out. The Greeks won’t take him in. So he sits between borders as the Turks won’t take him back! Lol!

20913522-0-image-a-58_1573573092748.jpg


That’s him. And it’s been three days!!!! The Turks finally put a car out there so he isn’t stuck out in the elements

friggin hilarious story
Should have dropped him off the coast in a boat. An NGO ship would have picked him up tout suite and taxied him to safe shores.

International law needs to be revised to address people who end up being stateless by choice. In this case that would mean allowing those directly affected by these terrorists to deal with them as they see fit.
 
Considering the nature of the organization they were joining, its absolutely disgraceful that even if convicted of joining ISIS these jihadis will face relatively minimal sentences. Signing up with ISIS as a European is morally equivalent to a Brit joining Nazi Germany. In 1943.

Anyone who joined up with ISIS (and everyone who did knew damn well the nature of the regime they were supporting) is the moral equivalent of Lord Haw-Haw, and deserves effectively the same treatment. The only reason joining ISIS probably doesn't technically qualify as treason is that no one actually recognizes ISIS as a state, and thus no European nation actually declared war on ISIS.

Matters of proof aside (which are important) The inability to properly punish people whom we can prove elected to join ISIS is a ludicrous failure. Judicial, moral and spiritual bankruptcy.
 
Anyone hear of the ISIS fighter stuck between borders?! LOL!!!

The Turks drove him to their border crossing and pushed him out. The Greeks won’t take him in. So he sits between borders as the Turks won’t take him back! Lol!

20913522-0-image-a-58_1573573092748.jpg


That’s him. And it’s been three days!!!! The Turks finally put a car out there so he isn’t stuck out in the elements

friggin hilarious story

The Caliphate has been established.
 
That is a real possibility, because the Kurds and Iraqis are quite fed up with housing and feeding all these damn Western jihadis in their prison for the last couple of years.

There might come a day when they just gonna release them all, and they will find their way back.

I still don't get the "Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian" bs, to be honest. Trudeau restored Canadian citizenship to ISIS fighters like Jihadi Jack, but then wouldn't exercise the Canadian government's responsibility to its citizen, so why even bother?

Performative hypocrisy is Trudeau's stock in trade.
 
Yes because worrying that they may get a slap on the wrist (if they even get convicted) means I care about them

You can live in fantasy land where we publicly execute ISIS fighters with bullets dipped in pigs blood while the rest of us living in reality have to consider what the laws say

You’d be the first to freak out if we gave an ISIS fighter a couple of years in a hotel room (which is what some of these European prisons look like)


Treason is punishable by death in the US. They should be be killed.
 
Europe has resisted taking back citizens who joined ISIS.
Now, it may not have a choice.

By Loveday Morris and Souad Mekhennet | November 14, 2019

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Turkey has said it will return all the foreign nationals in its custody with suspected links to the Islamic State.
But European court decisions may be even more significant in determining who returns.

BERLIN — Bint Dahlia was 33 when she left Germany with her husband and children to start life in the Islamic State’s newly declared caliphate.

She is one of thousands of Europeans who did — and, five years later, one of hundreds trying to come back.

European governments have resisted repatriating their nationals since the caliphate crumbled. Leaders fear domestic attacks and public backlash and have argued that trials should take place regionally.

But now Europe’s hand is being forced. Although Turkey has said it is starting to deport people in its custody with suspected Islamic State links, even more significant are landmark court cases giving governments little choice.

Last week, an appeals court in Berlin ruled that the German government should repatriate Bint Dahlia alongside her three children from al-Hol, a squalid Kurdish-run camp inside Syria. (The woman’s real name was redacted in court documents shared with The Washington Post, and her relatives have asked that The Post use a family nickname for her safety.)

The camp’s conditions, the court determined, were life-threatening, and the children had a right to remain with their mother.

The lawyer for the case said he hopes it will set a precedent for 20 other German mothers and 40 children he represents.

“All the cases are quite similar,” attorney Dirk Schoenian said. The German government’s tactic until now has been to buy time, he said, and that is running out.

A ruling in the neighboring Netherlands likewise ordered the government to work to return 56 children from camps in Syria — and allow their mothers to return if that is necessary for the children’s repatriation. That ruling is open to appeal, but the court said it must act within two weeks regardless.

European governments “are fighting a losing battle,” said Andre Seebregts, a lawyer representing most of the women and children in the Dutch case.

“We have an acute problem now that needs to be taken care of now,” he said.

Estimates vary, but a minimum of 1,200 Europeans are held in camps in Syria, according to a recent study by the Brussels-based Royal Institute for International Relations. The majority are children, with Germans and French nationals making up by far the largest contingent. There are 124 German adults and 138 children, the study said.

Human rights advocates have deplored conditions in the camps, where food, clean water and medical assistance are in short supply.

Pressure on European governments to act intensified last month, as Turkey launched an offensive on Kurdish areas in Syria, sparking chaos that led to escapes from Kurdish-run camps.

Still, Schoenian said he expects German authorities to drag their feet for as long as they can, and he is preparing another case against the Foreign Ministry if it does not act.

His client, according to her mother-in-law, has been threatened in the camp since the verdict, with other detainees branding her an unbeliever for working in the Western court system. “I do not understand why the German government is just waiting and doing nothing,” the mother-in-law said.

The German Foreign Ministry said it is examining the decision and looking at how it can fulfill its legal obligations, but the security situation on the ground that presents logistical issues has not changed.

For European nations, the issue of returnees has presented a dilemma.

“No one wants to be responsible for bringing back someone that carries out an attack,” said Sofia Koller, a counterterrorism researcher with the German Council on Foreign Relations.

Countries maintain that they are concerned about the welfare of their citizens, especially the children born or raised in Islamic State territory, and about ensuring a fair judicial process.

But there is concern that security services will be lumbered with costly surveillance if there is insufficient evidence to charge returnees. In Germany, just having left for Islamic State territory does not constitute a crime.

The Kurds overseeing the camps have long pushed for European countries to take responsibility for their citizens. And the United States has added to the pressure, with President Trump repeatedly raising the issue in public.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo emphasized the point on Thursday.

“Coalition members must take back the thousands of foreign terrorist fighters in custody and impose accountability for the atrocities they have perpetrated,” he said to foreign ministers assembled in Washington.

The United States has offered some countries help with retrieving their citizens. The ruling in the Netherlands has compelled the Dutch government to take up that offer.

A senior State Department official declined to provide any details but said the situation with the Dutch is currently under discussion in “diplomatic channels.”

The official acknowledged that U.S. military flights have been used to repatriate the families of foreign fighters from Syria to their home countries. He said it was done on a case-by-case basis and the United States demanded assurances on how the repatriated people would be treated in the legal system.

“It’s not a blanket offer, but we’ve done it with a number of countries,” the official said.

He described the U.S. position as "to be as forward-leaning as possible" to see that the detainees are taken care of or put to justice. He characterized the lack of security in northeast Syria as a "ticking time bomb" for the approximately 10,000 detained foreign fighters and tens of thousands of family members, saying, "We don't want to put them at risk, for humanitarian and other counter terrorism reasons."

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In addition to legal cases forcing European countries to act, this week Turkey also said it had begun deporting detainees with suspected Islamic State links that it separately holds, including German, French, U.S., Irish and Danish nationals.

German officials assured the public that all returnees would be investigated, but that the first groups had no links to Islamic State.

A family of seven that was scheduled to be returned on Thursday also were not Islamic State returnees, said a German security official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. An additional two people expected to be returned on Friday escaped from Kurdish camps in Syria, he said.

Turkey says it currently holds 2,280 Islamic State members from 30 countries and intends to deport them all.

Turkish officials have said the deportations are being carried out in line with “international agreements.”

Germany says it cannot deny entry to its citizens if their identities can be verified. Fewer than 20 of those in Turkish custody are German, according to the German Foreign Office, though citizenship has not been definitively established in all of those cases.

The deportations have come amid an uptick in Turkish activity apparently aimed at showing resolve against the Islamic State.

A Turkish offensive into northern Syria last month was criticized, in part, because of the danger that it could lead to an Islamic State revival, as U.S. troops withdrew and Kurdish-led forces responsible for guarding detained militants were called away to the front lines.

Since then, Turkish authorities have publicized raids targeting militants within Turkey and said they have arrested hundreds of Islamic State members in Syria.

Turkey announced on Thursday that a U.S. citizen who had been stranded on the border with Greece since Monday after Turkey deported him there, but Greece denied him entry, will be returned to the United States.

Ankara also said it had begun deportation proceedings for a British national.

London’s Metropolitan Police reported arresting a 26-year-old man, who had flown from Turkey to Heathrow airport on Thursday, on suspicion of terrorism offices. The police described the arrest as “Syria-related.”

Britain has gone as far as stripping some of its nationals of citizenship to avoid allowing them back.

One of the Germans expected to return on Friday is a 27-year-old from Lower Saxony who was detained by the Turks after escaping from Ayn Issa camp in Syria in October, during the chaos of the Turkish offensive.

She contacted her sister when she reached the border with Turkey and told her that Free Syrian Army forces were handing her over to the Turks.

Her sister, who spoke on the condition of anonymity for security reasons, said she had told her family that she was going to Turkey to do an internship in 2014, before later turning up in Syria. Her lawyer said that he doesn’t believe German authorities have evidence of any crime being committed, and the security official said she will not be arrested on arrival.

Germany should have acted much sooner to ensure “controlled repatriation,” said Koller, the researcher. “Now we have to react.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...137fe0-0590-11ea-9118-25d6bd37dfb1_story.html
 
ohh boy what a mess the world is in.

Not sure what to do with war criminals that wanted to kill everyone.
 
U.K. Takes Back Children From Former ISIS Territory
The Kurdish authorities said three children in Syria had been handed over to British officials.

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The British authorities did not make the number of children or their age public, or offer any other details, but a senior Kurdish official posted on Twitter that three British orphans of parents who had joined ISIS had been handed over to a British delegation.

The Rojava Information Center, an information service led by activists in Kurdish-held areas, said the children were ages 7 to 10.

France repatriated five children in March, and 12 more in June. That same month, Belgium took back six children, and Norway five. Mr. Omar, the Kurdish official, said on Tuesday on Twitter that Kurdish forces had handed over an orphaned child to a Danish delegation
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/22/world/europe/britain-isis-children-syria.html
 
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The entire issue is that it’s very hard to prove, so they will probably get a light sentence of joining a terrorist org

how are you going to prove an unorganized group of ragtag terrorists committed very specific crimes?
Holy freakin crap!! If I ever commit a crime I want you to be my lawyer.
 
Considering the nature of the organization they were joining, its absolutely disgraceful that even if convicted of joining ISIS these jihadis will face relatively minimal sentences. Signing up with ISIS as a European is morally equivalent to a Brit joining Nazi Germany. In 1943.

Anyone who joined up with ISIS (and everyone who did knew damn well the nature of the regime they were supporting) is the moral equivalent of Lord Haw-Haw, and deserves effectively the same treatment. The only reason joining ISIS probably doesn't technically qualify as treason is that no one actually recognizes ISIS as a state, and thus no European nation actually declared war on ISIS.

Matters of proof aside (which are important) The inability to properly punish people whom we can prove elected to join ISIS is a ludicrous failure. Judicial, moral and spiritual bankruptcy.


In another time they would face the firing squad. They wouldn't dare return.
Today though, I think they'll get off live normal lives like nothing happened.
There's plenty of war criminals living freely in Canada and Germany. UK will will do the same. Such is the world we live in.
 
No question the Canadian government will be at the forefront, bending over backwards to take in as many ISIS as they can.
Trudeau & the liberals protecting one of their voting banks.
Giving 10's of millions of hard working Canadian's money to the animals who want them dead. Bizarro world for those who don't profit from these decisions.
 
No question the Canadian government will be at the forefront, bending over backwards to take in as many ISIS as they can.
Trudeau & the liberals protecting one of their voting banks.
Giving 10's of millions of hard working Canadian's money to the animals who want them dead. Bizarro world for those who don't profit from these decisions.

I am not Trudeau and the Liberals biggest fan, but you misunderstand how they work.

They don't actually want a bunch of jihadis in the country, because it is a losing issue for them, especially if someone they welcome back commits a crime. From the Liberal's point of view, this is an electoral problem, as these kind of security issues are red meat for the Conservatives. Jihadis aren't a vote bank. They are, potentially, a massive electoral liability, and the Liberals know it.

At the same time, they don't want to strip citizenship from ISIS fighters, because they view this as a rights issue, and it is problematic for their image as a party to strip people of citizenship, an idea the icky Conservatives suggested.

They also don't want to do the hard work of attempting to convict ISIS fighters, because 1) law and order type stuff is the Conservative's wheelhouse 2)it's hard work, as convictions will be difficult to secure with Canada's current laws and 3) the Conservatives get to criticize them constantly for fucking the file up, which is basically inevitable.

The Liberal solution? As I said before, performative hypocrisy. The Liberals will say all the 'right things' about citizenship and human rights while doing everything possible to ensure that as many jihadis as possible rot in Middle Eastern prisons sans consular assistance.
 
I am not Trudeau and the Liberals biggest fan, but you misunderstand how they work.

They don't actually want a bunch of jihadis in the country, because it is a losing issue for them, especially if someone they welcome back commits a crime. From the Liberal's point of view, this is an electoral problem, as these kind of security issues are red meat for the Conservatives. Jihadis aren't a vote bank. They are, potentially, a massive electoral liability, and the Liberals know it.

At the same time, they don't want to strip citizenship from ISIS fighters, because they view this as a rights issue, and it is problematic for their image as a party to strip people of citizenship, an idea the icky Conservatives suggested.

They also don't want to do the hard work of attempting to convict ISIS fighters, because 1) law and order type stuff is the Conservative's wheelhouse 2)it's hard work, as convictions will be difficult to secure with Canada's current laws and 3) the Conservatives get to criticize them constantly for fucking the file up, which is basically inevitable.

The Liberal solution? As I said before, performative hypocrisy. The Liberals will say all the 'right things' about citizenship and human rights while doing everything possible to ensure that as many jihadis as possible rot in Middle Eastern prisons sans consular assistance.

You've posted a whole lot of truth there.
 

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