Is UFC Pay too Low Or Other Sports Too High

for me, this is easy: look at how much dana white is worth, and look at how much the top-fighters in mma are worth.

who in their right mind thinks that dana white deserves that much money? it's all about the percentage of the revenue that is being paid to the fighters. if you were to compare the percentages to the major-sports, you would see that the players in the major-sports get a lot more of the overall revenue percentage.

yeah, yeah, we don't know the numbers of the UFC. but who really thinks that the percentage is anywhere close to those of the major-sports? if you're sane, your answer should be no one. that's why i bring up dana white's worth. he didn't make that money from boxercising.

Executive compensation is as much about level of responsibility as it is about what they actually do on a day to day basis.

Dana is responsible for making decisions that affect a billion dollar company. His decisions can impact the value of the company by hundreds of millions of dollars. His decisions impact the livelihood of hundreds of fighters and thousands of employees that work directly and indirectly for the UFC.

There's a reason why executives get paid so much. If you have a billion dollars of company value on the line, how much are you going to pay to make sure that the right person is minding the store?

Also, Dana White is a part owner. The bulk of his value comes from sweat equity. Had he made poor decisions, he would have dedicated years of his life for nothing.

Let's me put it this way.

Let's say I open a restaurant and hire you as the manager. You have no money but you have experience so I offer you part ownership as incentive to perform and to make sure you have skin in the game.

Now you hire the right people, make the right decisions and turn it into a successful business. Then you negotiate complex agreements to franchise the restaurant and oversee the expansion of the restaurant into a national chain with hundreds of outlets.

Now the business is worth hundreds of millions of dollars. Yes, the chefs and the waiters and the bartenders and the bus staff all contributed to that success. However, who deserves the most reward for the work and effort?

Dana White took on the role of running the UFC when it was a moribund business. It was illegal in most states. It wasn't even carried on PPV.

Now it's legal in 49/50 states, it's a billion dollar business, is carried on networks in multiple countries, employs 500+ fighters and thousands of support staff. And Dana's share of ownership is worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

What does the rewards that Dana has earned over the past decade+ have to do with how much the employees, most of whom are relatively recent hires, most of whom weren't there during the hard times, most of whom were still in school worrying over the spring dance while Dana was dealing with sleepless nights, encroaching creditors, intransigent legislators and skeptical sponsors?

If you were the CEO of a restaurant franchise that helped build it into a food service empire how would you view someone who says that it's really the chefs, wait staff and bartenders that built the company and that all you do is sit in your office?

Fighters fight and are clearly the product that is consumed.

However the platform of the UFC was built by Dana and the Fertitta's by putting their own time, money and effort at risk. The success of that platform built over a decade is why Dana is worth so much more than the fighters who work for him. Those fighters are only able to become stars because of that platform.

There's nothing stopping the fighters from going somewhere else. They can work for Bellator. They can sign with ONE FC. They can join WSOF.

They stay because the UFC pays them more than everyone else, gives them more exposure and fame than everyone else, and offers more opportunity than anyone else.

Why is this the sole responsibility of the UFC? Who is holding Bellator, ONE FC and WSOF responsible for the low pay they offer? Who is calling them out for not having health insurance or professional level PED testing? Who is holding the small amateur circuits responsible for paying their fighters a pittance?

The UFC spends millions getting MMA legalized in jurisdictions. They're the ones laying the groundwork for shows in other countries. They're the ones pioneering PED test regimes and getting the sport exposed to new demographics and audiences. And promotions and fighters around the world benefit from those efforts.

The UFC isn't perfect by any means. And it would be nice if they paid the fighters more money. However, if the economics made sense don't you think another promotion would simply outbid the UFC? Don't you think the UFC would have a vested interest in keeping their fighters happy?

Don't you think that Viacom would have thrown their considerable financial might behind Bellator if it was as simple as paying the fighters more? That they would invest more money in the sport if there was really a buck to be made?

Or maybe it's obvious to Viacom that it's not that easy.

There's an old saying, never begrudge a man his money.

You may not think that Dana earned it, but the Fertitta's clearly do. And considering that the bulk of the money on the line is theirs, then Dana must have done something right.
 
UFC's pay structure is designed to keep fighters hungry and for them to themselves build a fanbase and thus raise their own pay. It's an opportunity. It's not designed to attract the best athletes in the world, the folks on top are too greedy for that and their ambition to grow fast is too high.

But what they do makes sense for them and for the sport as a whole in the long run, as they first need to grow and build a legit history to attract top athletes, and the pay has indeed been growing steadily. There are 2 ways of growing their sport, they chose the option that benefits them and then the the sport as a byproduct, while the other way is to put their own financial gain as secondary (while still making good profit, but not a truckload).
 
Executive compensation is as much about level of responsibility as it is about what they actually do on a day to day basis.

Dana is responsible for making decisions that affect a billion dollar company. His decisions can impact the value of the company by hundreds of millions of dollars. His decisions impact the livelihood of hundreds of fighters and thousands of employees that work directly and indirectly for the UFC.

There's a reason why executives get paid so much. If you have a billion dollars of company value on the line, how much are you going to pay to make sure that the right person is minding the store?

Also, Dana White is a part owner. The bulk of his value comes from sweat equity. Had he made poor decisions, he would have dedicated years of his life for nothing.

Let's me put it this way.

Let's say I open a restaurant and hire you as the manager. You have no money but you have experience so I offer you part ownership as incentive to perform and to make sure you have skin in the game.

Now you hire the right people, make the right decisions and turn it into a successful business. Then you negotiate complex agreements to franchise the restaurant and oversee the expansion of the restaurant into a national chain with hundreds of outlets.

Now the business is worth hundreds of millions of dollars. Yes, the chefs and the waiters and the bartenders and the bus staff all contributed to that success. However, who deserves the most reward for the work and effort?

Dana White took on the role of running the UFC when it was a moribund business. It was illegal in most states. It wasn't even carried on PPV.

Now it's legal in 49/50 states, it's a billion dollar business, is carried on networks in multiple countries, employs 500+ fighters and thousands of support staff. And Dana's share of ownership is worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

What does the rewards that Dana has earned over the past decade+ have to do with how much the employees, most of whom are relatively recent hires, most of whom weren't there during the hard times, most of whom were still in school worrying over the spring dance while Dana was dealing with sleepless nights, encroaching creditors, intransigent legislators and skeptical sponsors?

If you were the CEO of a restaurant franchise that helped build it into a food service empire how would you view someone who says that it's really the chefs, wait staff and bartenders that built the company and that all you do is sit in your office?

Fighters fight and are clearly the product that is consumed.

However the platform of the UFC was built by Dana and the Fertitta's by putting their own time, money and effort at risk. The success of that platform built over a decade is why Dana is worth so much more than the fighters who work for him. Those fighters are only able to become stars because of that platform.

There's nothing stopping the fighters from going somewhere else. They can work for Bellator. They can sign with ONE FC. They can join WSOF.

They stay because the UFC pays them more than everyone else, gives them more exposure and fame than everyone else, and offers more opportunity than anyone else.

Why is this the sole responsibility of the UFC? Who is holding Bellator, ONE FC and WSOF responsible for the low pay they offer? Who is calling them out for not having health insurance or professional level PED testing? Who is holding the small amateur circuits responsible for paying their fighters a pittance?

The UFC spends millions getting MMA legalized in jurisdictions. They're the ones laying the groundwork for shows in other countries. They're the ones pioneering PED test regimes and getting the sport exposed to new demographics and audiences. And promotions and fighters around the world benefit from those efforts.

The UFC isn't perfect by any means. And it would be nice if they paid the fighters more money. However, if the economics made sense don't you think another promotion would simply outbid the UFC? Don't you think the UFC would have a vested interest in keeping their fighters happy?

Don't you think that Viacom would have thrown their considerable financial might behind Bellator if it was as simple as paying the fighters more? That they would invest more money in the sport if there was really a buck to be made?

Or maybe it's obvious to Viacom that it's not that easy.

There's an old saying, never begrudge a man his money.

You may not think that Dana earned it, but the Fertitta's clearly do. And considering that the bulk of the money on the line is theirs, then Dana must have done something right.

One of the most intelligent posts about Dana and the UFC in relation to compensation I've seen on the forums. Good job sir.
 
Jebus help me.
All pro leagues are nothing more than money making monsters. The owners do not give a fuck about athletes or fans. Making fuckload of money is their only target.
If athletes have a union they get bigger piece.
The sad part: In north America, NHL, NFL, MLB ect, managed to brainwash morons into believing that only pro league counts and they must support "their" team no matter of what.
Example:
Where I currently reside, every time "our" team plays, gazillions of those brainless drones puts on team jerseys, hats, pants and whatever they can get with "their" teams logo on it, and watch the game.
Their team won fuck all in over 4 decades, and its not winning anything any time soon. But they all drop all that $ on all that merchandise every year and say "Maple Laughs gonna take the cup next season"
EVERY fucking year for 40+ years!!!!!! and if You say stop giving owners money for nothing, they look at You like You wearing CCCP jersey.:D
now
When NHL went on strike, they walked around like "hungry" crackheads crying "Must have some hockey" "End the strike, we need hockey" "We can not live without hockey".
AHL, CHL, OHL were not on strike, there was hockey games everywhere. BUT
for some reason it was not "Hockey". They even bitched about "NO HOCKEY" while watching their kids play....You guessted it.....fucking HOCKEY.

If You still with me:
UFC is aiming at joining the "Club" and gaining "fans" like those brainless morons.
Ronda is their best tool to do that at this time. Already fuckers who don't know what RNC is, are claiming she the GOAT of fucking universe, and will pay $60 to see her crush a ping pong.

Most of us laughed at new uniforms. But its not for fighters or us they were created for. I bet RRs and McGregors kits will outsell ALL other fighters combine.

Enjoy MMA before its too late.


Sorry for the long post, got overtaken by hate to the idea of UFC becoming next Toronto Maple Laughs. ( and my ESL)
 
UFC fighters are not paid enough. Other pro athletes are not paid too much. They have a small window in which they can compete at a high level and make money. The risk of career ending injury is great. And they frequently don't have a lot of other skills to fall back on. That is why they should be compensated as much as they are.
 
Executive compensation is as much about level of responsibility as it is about what they actually do on a day to day basis.

Dana is responsible for making decisions that affect a billion dollar company. His decisions can impact the value of the company by hundreds of millions of dollars. His decisions impact the livelihood of hundreds of fighters and thousands of employees that work directly and indirectly for the UFC.

There's a reason why executives get paid so much. If you have a billion dollars of company value on the line, how much are you going to pay to make sure that the right person is minding the store?

Also, Dana White is a part owner. The bulk of his value comes from sweat equity. Had he made poor decisions, he would have dedicated years of his life for nothing.

Let's me put it this way.

Let's say I open a restaurant and hire you as the manager. You have no money but you have experience so I offer you part ownership as incentive to perform and to make sure you have skin in the game.

Now you hire the right people, make the right decisions and turn it into a successful business. Then you negotiate complex agreements to franchise the restaurant and oversee the expansion of the restaurant into a national chain with hundreds of outlets.

Now the business is worth hundreds of millions of dollars. Yes, the chefs and the waiters and the bartenders and the bus staff all contributed to that success. However, who deserves the most reward for the work and effort?

Dana White took on the role of running the UFC when it was a moribund business. It was illegal in most states. It wasn't even carried on PPV.

Now it's legal in 49/50 states, it's a billion dollar business, is carried on networks in multiple countries, employs 500+ fighters and thousands of support staff. And Dana's share of ownership is worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

What does the rewards that Dana has earned over the past decade+ have to do with how much the employees, most of whom are relatively recent hires, most of whom weren't there during the hard times, most of whom were still in school worrying over the spring dance while Dana was dealing with sleepless nights, encroaching creditors, intransigent legislators and skeptical sponsors?

If you were the CEO of a restaurant franchise that helped build it into a food service empire how would you view someone who says that it's really the chefs, wait staff and bartenders that built the company and that all you do is sit in your office?

Fighters fight and are clearly the product that is consumed.

However the platform of the UFC was built by Dana and the Fertitta's by putting their own time, money and effort at risk. The success of that platform built over a decade is why Dana is worth so much more than the fighters who work for him. Those fighters are only able to become stars because of that platform.

There's nothing stopping the fighters from going somewhere else. They can work for Bellator. They can sign with ONE FC. They can join WSOF.

They stay because the UFC pays them more than everyone else, gives them more exposure and fame than everyone else, and offers more opportunity than anyone else.

Why is this the sole responsibility of the UFC? Who is holding Bellator, ONE FC and WSOF responsible for the low pay they offer? Who is calling them out for not having health insurance or professional level PED testing? Who is holding the small amateur circuits responsible for paying their fighters a pittance?

The UFC spends millions getting MMA legalized in jurisdictions. They're the ones laying the groundwork for shows in other countries. They're the ones pioneering PED test regimes and getting the sport exposed to new demographics and audiences. And promotions and fighters around the world benefit from those efforts.

The UFC isn't perfect by any means. And it would be nice if they paid the fighters more money. However, if the economics made sense don't you think another promotion would simply outbid the UFC? Don't you think the UFC would have a vested interest in keeping their fighters happy?

Don't you think that Viacom would have thrown their considerable financial might behind Bellator if it was as simple as paying the fighters more? That they would invest more money in the sport if there was really a buck to be made?

Or maybe it's obvious to Viacom that it's not that easy.

There's an old saying, never begrudge a man his money.

You may not think that Dana earned it, but the Fertitta's clearly do. And considering that the bulk of the money on the line is theirs, then Dana must have done something right.

all that text, for nothing. you could have simply said: dana white has a lot of responsibility and makes tough decisions, so that's why he gets the lion's share.

of course he should make a good amount of money. the only thing the folks on my side of the debate are saying, is that the piece of the pie he gets should be smaller, and that additional money should go to the fighters.
 
If somebody like Demarre Carrol can get 14 million dollars a year in basketball, good for him.

A pro sports team is usually a billionaire's toy. If the team breaks even it's a good year.

The UFC is a make believe billionaires toy. The Fertittas went bankrupt in 2011. They need all the money they can get from the UFC.
 
Comparing a dedicated athlete that succeeds in the world's largest MMA promotion to a career flunk that fucks off at walmart is an embarrassment. If you have so little respect for the fighters then do us all a favor and quit watching. Other careers have career longevity, retirement, 401k, health insurance. Other careers also don't require physical injury in preparation of a single moment that can win or lose your earnings. Shame on you...

all careers are governed by supply and demand, not how "tough" they are
 
all careers are governed by supply and demand, not how "tough" they are

This.

Soldiers, fire and police service members all put their lives at risk and don't make millions.

As in most things, the market determines the worth of the individual otherwise teachers would be worth more and Paris Hilton would be broke. And if you are a huge Paris Hilton fan, tough!
 
If the fighters want more money then they're gonna have to fight for it. Dana and the Ferttitas ain't paying them 50% like team sports without collective bargaining.
 
the ufc pay is too low while the other sports are too high

Giancarlo Stanton salary= 13 year/325 mil

Rory Mcdonald salary @ufc189= 59,000+50,000 fotn bonus
 
Dana White almost makes as much money as Roger Goodell, Silver etc. so I doubt those guys are being paid too much. UFC fighters are just being ripped off.
 
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