Is TUF Still Looked Down Upon Due to "Lack of Good Fighters?"

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  1. how high

    how high Purple Belt

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    I've always read on here that TUF hasn't had any great fighters for years and should be stopped because the talent isn't even there. Looking back on the last 8 seasons or so you would see that isn't the case

    TUF 10-
    Roy Nelson, Top 10 HW
    Brendan Schaub, Top 15 HW
    Matt Mitrione, Top 20 HW

    TUF 11-
    Brad Tavares, Top 15 MW
    Chris Camozzi, Not the best but definitely UFC caliber
    Kyle Noke, Not the best but definitely UFC caliber
    Court McGee, Has great potential and is definitely UFC caliber
    Costa Phillipou, Lost his fight to get into the house but is now top 10 MW

    TUF 12-
    Michael Johnson, Top 10 LW
    Alex Caceres, Top 15 BW

    TUF 13
    Tony Ferguson, 5-1 in UFC & Highly touted prospect
    Ramsey Nijem, took a while but is now turning it on in the UFC

    TUF 14
    Jon Dodson, Top 5 FLW, Former Title challenger
    TJ Dillashaw, Best BW in the world, UFC Title Holder
    Dennis Bermudez, Top 10 FW
    Diego Brandao, Top 15 FW
    Brian Caraway, Top 15 BW
    Louis Gaudinot, Top 15 FLW
    Steven Siler, Quality FW
    Roland Delorme, Quality BW

    TUF 15
    Myles Jury, Undefeated in UFC, Top 10 LW
    Daron Cruickshank, Quality prospect at LW
    Michael Chiesea, Quality prospect at LW, 4-1 in UFC
    Al Iaquinta, Prospect will get a lot better over time

    TUF 16 (really the only crap season lately)
    Neil Magny, Proving himself to be UFC caliber.

    TUF 17
    Kelvin Gastelum, one of the best prospects at 170 lbs, Top 15 almost Top 10 WW
    Luke Barnatt, 2-0 in the UFC and really making a name for himself
    Uriah Hall, Has had some hiccups but seems to be becoming the fighter we all thought he could be
    Clint Hester, Undefeated in the UFC, Quality MW prospect

    TUF 18
    Hard to tell due to lack of time but...
    Chris Holdsworth seems to be a quality prospect
    Chris Beal returned with a helluva knockout

    My point is that pretty much every season has had at least one but likely more legit prospects to come out of it. You can't expect entire casts full of future title winners and title challengers. It's clear as day that TUF is undeserving of it's bad wrap.
     
  2. johnyboy

    johnyboy Silver Belt

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    Well the vast majority of guys you named are top 15 which is low level status.
     
  3. Bigj383

    Bigj383 Gold Belt

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    Lol at top 15 being low level.
     
  4. johnyboy

    johnyboy Silver Belt

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    Lol well obviously anyone in the UFC is high level. However you do not need to have a show that winds up putting holds on divisions to get top 15 lvl guys.
     
  5. grooves12

    grooves12 Green Belt

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    There is a HUGE gap between top-5 and top-15 status. In fact I would say top 15 means nothing. All it means is that you have a UFC contract and are able to win against nobodies on the pre-prelims.

    Guys like Dillashaw/Dodson are inevitable to rise to the top because the divisions were new to the UFC. The talent-level in those divisions weren't established, so TUF had first-pick of the best guys in the world to include. But, when is the last time we saw a real contender come through in one of the established divisions?

    Looking at your list... Roy Nelson? Arguably he should have went straight to UFC based on his resume as IFL champ, but Dana White gave him the Kimbo treatment because he is fat.
     
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    Kataclysm Blue Belt

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    Right? If you aren't top 10 just quit fighting.

    Since this is sherdog I have to emphasize I'm being sarcastic because we have full blown retards.
     
  7. Cherry

    Cherry Brown Belt

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    Tuf 14 is kind of a wash since those weightclasses were fairly new at the time and Flyweight wasn't even a thing yet. Could have just outright signed a lot of those guys to the UFC.
     
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    Top 15 in the world is low level status?
     
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    Kataclysm Blue Belt

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    Those poor 5 guys not top 10.
     
  10. Ehrmantraut

    Ehrmantraut Real American Platinum Member

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    Most of those guys are destined to be journeymen/gatekeepers
     
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    fightdonttweet Banned Banned

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    Its "bad rap." Unless you're talking about a poorly made burrito.
     
  12. StupidityKills

    StupidityKills Green Belt

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    They have fighting on TUF? I thought it was all fake drama like Big Brother.
     
  13. thedevious

    thedevious Everyone Is On PEDs Except Me

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    By the overall population of MMA fans it is, but I disagree. If they can get even a few mainstays in each division then the season was a success. You can't have 16 guys on one season and expect them all to be superstars. They're all prospects (mostly) and they're not going to immediately jump into the top. Gastelum may be an exception though, he's climbing fast. TUF 17 was pretty good. TUF 14 is clearly the best season in a long time, and I've felt that way before Dillashaw beat Barao.
     
  14. BionicCommando

    BionicCommando Silver Belt

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    TUF in general (stateside) went 5-1 last night. Hard to complain about that rate of success.
     
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    BionicCommando Silver Belt

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    If you can turn 4 fighters out of 16 into average UFC guys, the season has to be determined a success.
     
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    VolkHan Brown Belt

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    Those are not the last 8 seasons, why u counted out the international seasons and the top 15 WBWs?
     
  17. NHB7

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    I don't think to many people look down on TUF fighters as necessarily lower caliber.
     
  18. Mr_Tricky

    Mr_Tricky Orange Belt

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    Getting a UFC contract and winning against fighters who also failed on TUF will automatically get you in the top 15. It doesn't mean anything.

    You also gain that rank by having name value. If Claude Patrick and Kelvin Gastelum have a similar resume, Gastelum will be ranked much higher because people know him from the show.

    TUF is just a way for Zuffa to make big stars out of fighters you wouldn't otherwise care about. No one would care about Gastelum at all if he wasn't featured on a reality show. It's sad.
     
  19. daniel san

    daniel san Brown Belt

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    Seems a bit like TUF nuthugging. Top 15 isn't that good, and most of the legit top 10 guys are in the lower weight classes and it makes sense as these divisions are new to the UFC. But yes, there's definitely some talent coming from TUF but it's been a couple of years for someone truly great.
     
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    TUF is still producing legit talent, some fans may not care, may think the format is stale and boring but its clearly still getting talent.
     

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