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  1. KylePulley

    KylePulley Blue Belt

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    First off, I've been lifting weights for years. No Olympic style but still. I train MMA, BJJ, Mauy Thai and boxing about 1 class each day.

    I want to work out Tues/Thurs/Saturdays with the following:

    Squat
    Farmers Walk
    Curls

    Butterfly's (I will do bench if I have someone their to spot me)
    Hang Clean and Press
    Laying down Tricep Extensions

    Deadlift
    Dumbell Rows

    Each Exercise 3 sets of 5 reps

    What do you guys think?
     
  2. Big H

    Big H Blue Belt

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    needs pull ups/chins

    probs be easier pickin a routine from the FAQ tbh
     
  3. Morganation

    Morganation Brown Belt

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    Whats with the curls and tricep extensions?I think you would be better off finding something from the FAQ to be honest.
     
  4. DrBdan

    DrBdan Something clever

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    Do chins instead of curls, dips instead of tricep extensions and bench instead of flies. Even better would be to read the FAQ and pick a beginner routine.
     
  5. KylePulley

    KylePulley Blue Belt

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    I have read the FAQ's. I like to personalize everything I do, just the way I do things. Truth is I can do maybe One pull or chin up. Im 250 pounds....so I was hoping to build strength first.
     
  6. Big H

    Big H Blue Belt

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    do negatives on chins, lots of sets of 1 etc.
     
  7. turbozed

    turbozed Red Belt

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    There's a few things you can do to improve your chinup strength prior to repping them.

    You can use the assisted pull-up/dip machine thing that gives you a bit of help by pushing your knees up.

    You can do negatives.

    You can also do inverted chin-ups:

     
  8. rckvl

    rckvl Blue Belt

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    I assume you mean:

    Tues:
    Squat
    Farmers Walk
    Curls

    Thurs:
    Butterfly's (I will do bench if I have someone their to spot me)
    Hang Clean and Press
    Laying down Tricep Extensions

    Saturdays:
    Deadlift
    Dumbell Rows

    It depends. You say you train a MA pretty much every day, so it might be too much or it might not.
     
  9. KylePulley

    KylePulley Blue Belt

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    no i ment all of that in one day, in about a hour and a half.
     
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    rckvl Blue Belt

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    ...yes, it is too much. Have you thoroughly read the FAQs? I'm guessing you haven't
     
  11. zhangmaster12

    zhangmaster12 Blue Belt

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    Probably better to do something like this, squatting and deadlifting 3x a week is a sure way to overtraining:
    Tues:
    Squat
    Clean and Press
    Rows
    Farmers Walk

    Thurs:
    Deadlift
    Lat Pulls (work up to doing a pull up)
    Bench
    Board Press / Pin Press / Dips

    Sat:
    Squat
    Rows
    Farmers
    Clean and Press
     
  12. rtfm

    rtfm White Belt

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    If you want to build strength first then read the FAQ and stick to large compounds. I'd drop curls and tricep extensions there are much better substitutes for these that will get you stronger. Read Starting Strength 2nd Ed, it has a basic program that thousands have used successfully.

    If you want to do a pull ups or chins then train for that. Assisted pull ups or chins work wonders as long as they're not over assisted ie if you're doing 3x10 easily then they're over assisted. I'm personally using 5x5 and I'm seeing a difference in strength, of course YMMV.
     
  13. pliftkl

    pliftkl Green Belt

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    I'll caution you that this is a good way to ruin otherwise perfectly good workouts. You'll see people who decide to do Starting Strength who "personalize" it to the point where it's not Starting Strength, and then complain that Starting Strength doesn't work.
     
  14. KylePulley

    KylePulley Blue Belt

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    I have read the FAQ's I did notice they didnt do alot in one day. I like whole body workouts. Read in men's health it boost's the metabolism. Didn't realize it was that easy to over train. I like the way you have it split up though. I'll stick with that. Also Curls and Tricep Extensions were more to isolate...I know this is against typically oly lifting. But I want nice arms lol hahah Nothing to do with proformance I know but shoot me, Im guilty
     
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    flizbap Blue Belt

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    1) Read the FAQ again. Don't just skim, read.

    2) Squating and deadlifting is a whole body workout.

    3) Men's health sucks, and sucks hard.

    4) Any exercise "boosts" your metabolism.

    5) If you're an unathletic regular guy, with a poor/averge diet and sleep schedule yes it is that easy to overtrain.

    6) Isolation exercises blow asshole unless you're working on a weak point, or are a competitive bodybuilder.

    7) Pull ups, chin ups, and dips will give you far better arm development then hammer curling 20 lbs for 80 reps.
     
  16. edco76

    edco76 huh? Platinum Member

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    Curls are on constant blast around here but if ya wanna do them, do them. I try to do some about every 2-3 work outs. Like you, I wouldnt mind a little more size on my arms but also, I find the motion to be a pretty functional movement that I use under load pretty frequently in day to day life.
     
  17. rtfm

    rtfm White Belt

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    If your more interested in aesthetics then there are boards more suited to that type of thing than this one. Nice arms are one thing, my wife has nice arms, but if you want big arms then have a flick through youtube at some of the powerlifters.
     
  18. MASShole

    MASShole Get it?

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    I personalize my workouts too, but I have a template I go from.

    There are generally 2-3 major compound movements followed by support movements, maybe 2-3 of them. It takes me less than an hour.

    I see people do 80 exercises in a workout and it makes no sense to me.
     
  19. KylePulley

    KylePulley Blue Belt

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    I don't understand you guys. It's all or nothing. I want to be physically strong and explosive hence the oly lifting. Why can't I mix in one or two isolation exercises like curls and tricep extensions?

    You guy's need to realise were not all MMA fighters, or professional lifters, some of us do it for general health and function. Lighten Up
     
  20. pliftkl

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    You can do what you want - it's your workout. The issue with isolation work is that it's rarely effective in a meaningful way. You may be able to add some muscle mass to your arms by working them in isolation, but you'll find that arm size is far more affected by body mass as a whole. Generally speaking, your arms aren't going to grow out of proportion to the rest of your body. If that's the case, then you would be better off simply trying to get your body to be big and strong, and let the arms follow along.
     

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