Judo Is this Karate throw from Judo or Jujutsu?

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In order to not lose students to judo, Karate pioneers had a bare minimum of throws in the curriculum.

Having said that... is the technique here borrowed from Japanese Jujutsu or Judo, or is it more of an improvised self defence move? Does it have a name?

Im guessing its not judo since Kano removed strikes, although it could still be in one of their katas?

 

[MilkManUK]

Looks like a drop knee tai otoshi. It's in Judo, although like alot of the techniques, I expect came from Ju Jitsu / Jutsu.

 

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Looks like a drop knee tai otoshi. It's in Judo, although like alot of the techniques, I expect came from Ju Jitsu / Jitsu.

But the start of the move is a knife hand strike.

 

[MilkManUK]

But the start of the move is a knife hand strike.

Yes, it's a strike into a throw and the throw part looks like a drop knee tai otoshi.

 

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Yes, it's a strike into a throw and the throw part looks like a drop knee tai otoshi.

Strike into a throw is not in any judo kata?

 

[ChickenBrother]

Strike into a throw is not in any judo kata?

It's literally the way seoi nage is performed in nage no kata, the first Judo kata and a requirement for shodan at many gyms.



To me the OP throw looks like a drop knee morote seoi nage but we all know debating which throw a variation most resembles is pointless and dumb.

Also arguing style vs. style is fake and gay. Karate guy Funakoshi trained with Judo guy Kano and they held each other in high regard. Ditto for aikido guy Ueshiba and all those guys started out training various schools of "Jujutsu." Whether a throw came from Judo or Choy Li Fut, no one gives a fuck.

 

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Karate guy Funakoshi trained with Judo guy Kano

they did???

 

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It's literally the way seoi nage is performed in nage no kata, the first Judo kata and a requirement for shodan at many gyms.

Uke is doing the strike. in the clip I posted the thrower is doing the strike

 

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Gishin Funakoshi

 

[ChickenBrother]

they did???

Jigoro Kano, the founder of judo, invited Gichin Funakoshi to the Kodokan where he taught karate to Kano's advanced students and privately to Kano himself. It was through his dealings with Jigoro Kano that he adopted the belt system (created by Kano) as well as the use of the lightweight cotton gi (uniform).

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Uke is doing the strike. in the clip I posted the thrower is doing the strike

 

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Jigoro Kano, the founder of judo, invited Gichin Funakoshi to the Kodokan where he taught karate to Kano's advanced students and privately to Kano himself. It was through his dealings with Jigoro Kano that he adopted the belt system (created by Kano) as well as the use of the lightweight cotton gi (uniform).

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, Funakoshi did not train with Kano in the sense of being a student. However, Funakoshi did give private lessons to Kano, the founder of Judo, for several months.

 

[Stoic1]

The same way Steven Segal taught Anderson.

 

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Also arguing style vs. style is fake and gay.

Gishin Funakoshis vs Ken Shamrock - Who wins?

 

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I think Ken could make him his own pet

 

[ChickenBrother]

, Funakoshi did not train with Kano in the sense of being a student. However, Funakoshi did give private lessons to Kano, the founder of Judo, for several months.

OK... and? Lol. It's known Funakoshi and Kano personally trained together and Kano's school was the more established one in mainland Japan at the time. Judo throws are in the curriculum of many karate styles and karate style strikes have always been in the Judo curriculum, though not allowed in competition. We also know Kano ripped off the double leg TD from western wrestling (which he had a lot of respect for) and called it morote gari.

Martial artists tend to copy and use what works.

 

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OK... and? Lol. It's known Funakoshi and Kano personally trained together and Kano's school was the more established one in mainland Japan at the time. Judo throws are in the curriculum of many karate styles and karate style strikes have always been in the Judo curriculum, though not allowed in competition. We also know Kano ripped off the double leg TD from western wrestling (which he had a lot of respect for) and called it morote gari.

Martial artists tend to copy and use what works.

Dude relax. I am just asking if its a judo throw.

 

[Patrick Jane]

Dude relax. I am just asking if its a judo throw.

It's a karate throw.

OK... and? Lol. It's known Funakoshi and Kano personally trained together and Kano's school was the more established one in mainland Japan at the time. Judo throws are in the curriculum of many karate styles and karate style strikes have always been in the Judo curriculum, though not allowed in competition. We also know Kano ripped off the double leg TD from western wrestling (which he had a lot of respect for) and called it morote gari.

Martial artists tend to copy and use what works.

Also the fireman's carry, which he discovered in european literature after months of looking in all of japanese martial arts including Sumo for a fitting throw for a specific scenario.

 

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It's a karate throw..

Jujutsu doesnt have knife hand strike followed by a throw?

 

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Also the fireman's carry, which he discovered in european literature after months of looking in all of japanese martial arts including Sumo for a fitting throw for a specific scenario.

Are you a judoka?

 

[Patrick Jane]

Are you a judoka?

Yes.

Jujutsu doesnt have knife hand strike followed by a throw?

Jujutsu is (contrary to some popular opinion) not a single martial art but consists of a bunch of different schools that have nothing to do with one another. Kinda like Kung Fu.