Is this a mat return, or a pseudo suplex??

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  1. EatMyShorts

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    Whatever it is - to me, it's one of the most badass looking takedowns in wrestling.

    Short arm mat returns don't seem to have that degree of amplitude, and they also lack that "dump" element.

    Best I can tell, he's popping his hips in from a neutrally placed grip, getting as much elevation as he can - then stepping out to the side and dump his opponent where he was standing initially.

    There doesn't seem to be a back-arch element, so I don't think it could be graded as a typical suplex, but there's also no short arm grip switch, so not a typical mat return either.

    Kind of like, pop-and-dump....?

    Anyone familiar with this specific technique?
     
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    Because it happened in NCAA wrestling its a mat return. Had it happened in FS or GR its a 5 pointer (although the finish might have to be sliiiiightly different to get the points).

    As for the actual terminology I don't think id call it a suplex either. Id call it a lift or a throw.
     
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    looked like he wasgonna suplex but decided to return him down since you cant suplex in college right
     
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    I don't know if the rules specifically forbid suplexing but its def not something you see bc there's no reason to. Not only do you not get more points but if you were to go full on duplex with the arch and the typical Olympic style finish you run a high risk of letting your opponent escape. What Dake did, you see that all the time.
     
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    yeha u dont get the 5 point throw like in freestyle but i thought ti was illegal to suplex someone in folkstyle due t liability in schools
     
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    Not only do you not get the 5, you don't get any extra points beyond the 2. That's one of the reasons I like freestyle much more than NCAA style. It incentivises offense more. As for the rules in NCAA, I'm sure there's something on paper prohibiting stuff beyond what Dake did here.
     

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