Opinion Is the US political system spent?

Our system is a corrupt joke. We're ruled by psychopathic special interests through the proxy of sociopathic politians. They do what they want, when they want, and now they've taken the mask off, doing everything out in the open and not being confined by the restraints of the rule of law.

Forget orange man bad for a second, this goes beyond him. If they can do this to him, they'll do it to anyone.
 
Mitch doesn't really have a fixed policy ideology, all he cares about is gaining and maintaining power.

If it was politically expedient he'd run up the largest deficit possible, legalize "post birth abortion" and outlaw guns.

100% agreed. A Biden presidency with Mitch as senate majority leader will bring out the worst parts of both, and they'll likely cooperate to do it.
 
As i said, do you think Bernie wants to end capitalism in America?



Only hypocritical libertarians would consider themselves "far right" or even right at all.

Libertarians would be completely anti-political.
Bernie absolutely would have loved to end capitalism in America if he had the option, yes.

Since you have seem to fallen for the democratic socialist meme, Bernie was pretty much a commie all throughout the 60s, 70s, and 80s, and of course had to back away from that after the 90s

He claims to be for democratic socialism but has no idea how the democratic socialist countries work.

The guy is a buffoon and it’s sad that American politics has come to the point where simply having “principles” no matter how stupid, makes you an attractive candidate.

Yes, Bernie has praised nationalization of industries before and has advocated for it, so he’s a full blown socialist, not a democratic socialist.

FDR may have had sympathy for socialism but he wasn’t a moron like Bernie is
 
We're ruled by psychopathic special interests through the proxy of sociopathic politicians. They do what they want, when they want, and now they've taken the mask off, doing everything out in the open and not being confined by the restraints of the rule of law.
perfectly said...it's so right out in the open...and the vast majority eats it up with a spoon
 
bernie, the avowed socialist? yeah, i think he'd love that.

WhatIsThis

Nope.

...so...what exactly do you think "right" means.

Right traditionally means conservative.

because i can't fathom how you could think that a minimalist govt isn't that.

Because minimalist government would be pro-abortion, pro-drugs, pro-gay marriage, pro-stem cell research etc, etc since libertarianism is against government coercion.
 

umm........ does he know this?



Right traditionally means conservative.



Because minimalist government would be pro-abortion, pro-drugs, pro-gay marriage, pro-stem cell research etc, etc since libertarianism is against government coercion.

exactly. republicans get that shit backwards/aren't very right.

although, it's not so much "pro-abortion, pro-drugs," etc as much as literal pro-choice.
 
Bernie absolutely would have loved to end capitalism in America if he had the option, yes.

No idea, im not a fan of Bernie so i dont follow his political career outside of his campaigns and proposals.

Since you have seem to fallen for the democratic socialist meme, Bernie was pretty much a commie all throughout the 60s, 70s, and 80s, and of course had to back away from that after the 90s

Democratic socialism is an oxymoron.

He claims to be for democratic socialism but has no idea how the democratic socialist countries work.

There are no democratic socialism countries, because socialism goes against democracy.

The guy is a buffoon and it’s sad that American politics has come to the point where simply having “principles” no matter how stupid, makes you an attractive candidate.

He is a buffoon i agree with you.

Yes, Bernie has praised nationalization of industries before and has advocated for it, so he’s a full blown socialist, not a democratic socialist.

Really? i saw his campaign proposals and saw nothing of the like.

FDR may have had sympathy for socialism but he wasn’t a moron like Bernie is

FDR was certainly hard left much worse than any modern politician he was also socially conservative which was one of the reasons he was so popular.
 
Our system is a corrupt joke. We're ruled by psychopathic special interests through the proxy of sociopathic politians. They do what they want, when they want, and now they've taken the mask off, doing everything out in the open and not being confined by the restraints of the rule of law.

Forget orange man bad for a second, this goes beyond him. If they can do this to him, they'll do it to anyone.
It always was a corrupt joke. You've got politicians running around in the forest worshiping owls, esoteric symbolism embedded in the architecture and fraternal orders controlling the economy for 2+ centuries.

They took the mask off because they have to. The public awareness of their activities went from around 2% to around 15-30% in the last 15 years. I think they're losing, look how strong the nationalist sentiment is growing worldwide. This is their death rattle, they're fucked.
 
exactly. republicans get that shit backwards/aren't very right.

Or maybe you associate libertarianism with right wing because in America due to the two party system, classic liberals had to ally themselves with conservatives.

although, it's not so much "pro-abortion, pro-drugs," etc as much as literal pro-choice.

Pretty much yes, being a libertarian is being pro-choice so its not really "right" or "left" its about not being coerced.
 
No idea, im not a fan of Bernie so i dont follow his political career outside of his campaigns and proposals.



Democratic socialism is an oxymoron.



There are no democratic socialism countries, because socialism goes against democracy.



He is a buffoon i agree with you.



Really? i saw his campaign proposals and saw nothing of the like.



FDR was certainly hard left much worse than any modern politician he was also socially conservative which was one of the reasons he was so popular.
Yeah, Bernie finally walked back on nationalizing industries like they did in Britain, I guess by the 90s post USSR? But he was spending like 20something years praising all of that.

He has rebranded himself in the model of Northern Europe but doesn’t even understand the Northern European model, hence his calls for extremely progressive taxes, high minimum wages, and to basically end the oil industry.

The fact that he’s not even aware of how the Northern European model works suggests to me he’s still the same old guy, but he knows it’s politically impossible to call for nationalization
 
umm........ does he know this?

Not a Bernie bro, i saw some of his proposals and it seemed to be all about high taxes and strong welfare, which i think its completely stupid but nothing about abolishing the free market or expropiation of assets.
 
The U.S. badly needs Democratic reform. They could create a democratic reform incentive package that states who are interested in doing the popular vote compact could draw from; with the conditions being that Gerrymandering has to end.

It's a soft start, but it's not nothing.
 
Or maybe you associate libertarianism with right wing because in America due to the two party system, classic liberals had to ally themselves with conservatives.

ffs, you JUST described right wing as "conservative," so you appear to just be cherrypicking and not having any sort of consistency/criteria


Pretty much yes, being a libertarian is being pro-choice so its not really "right" or "left" its about not being coerced.

minimalist govt = right.
maximum govt = left
 
Not a Bernie bro, i saw some of his proposals and it seemed to be all about high taxes and strong welfare, which i think its completely stupid but nothing about abolishing the free market or expropiation of assets.

actually, there was. i even cited it on sherdog a few times. he was for forced dilution of all publicly trading companies to transfer 20% of ownership to workers.
 
Yeah, Bernie finally walked back on nationalizing industries like they did in Britain, I guess by the 90s post USSR? But he was spending like 20something years praising all of that.

Lula Da Silva from Brazil was a former communist guerrilla member, when he became president he didnt ruled like a communist, there are plenty of marxist politicians and even marxist countries all around the world that realized that command economies are a failure.

I wont hold it against Bernie if he believed that communism could work before the fall of the USSR.

He has rebranded himself in the model of Northern Europe but doesn’t even understand the Northern European model, hence his calls for extremely progressive taxes, high minimum wages, and to basically end the oil industry.

Of course he doesnt understands it, but that doesnt means he is up for abolishing capitalism, at least now.

The fact that he’s not even aware of how the Northern European model works suggests to me he’s still the same old guy, but he knows it’s politically impossible to call for nationalization

It suggest he knows shit about economics and says "Well they have high taxes and high government spending, we should do that" without understanding how their economic systems work because he is an economic illiterate, not because he is a secret commie like say Hugo Chavez.
 
actually, there was. i even cited it on sherdog a few times. he was for forced dilution of all publicly trading companies to transfer 20% of ownership to workers.

Really? in what way? paying them via stock options or something? how would he actually force companies to do so?

Nonetheless i guess i was wrong, scratch Bernie out then.
 
Nope.



Right traditionally means conservative.



Because minimalist government would be pro-abortion, pro-drugs, pro-gay marriage, pro-stem cell research etc, etc since libertarianism is against government coercion.

I'm going to support Rod1 in this one. Libertarianism is in no way right wing except unintentionally, in that it creates oligarchies.
 
I think a formidable third party is totally viable. Especially now. Guys like Bernie, who could get out of the gate with a healthy base, are just too chicken shit to strike out and give it a shot. I don't think they'd have a problem fundraising and getting a healthy war chest together either. It would just take some time to build up, and be a pretty big gamble career wise, but you're never going to get anything without somebody like Bernie who has that built in appeal, splintering away from the Dems.

Fancy yourself a "radical progressive", or "revolutionary" who wants to shake up the system? Act like one.

I like this new post Trump @HereticBD.

Solid post.
 
Really? in what way? paying them via stock options or something? how would he actually force companies to do so?

Nonetheless i guess i was wrong, scratch Bernie out then.

his shit was all whacked out, honestly.

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/bernie-and-the-economy.4075977/page-3#post-158474799

i went into more/other detail in a few other threads, but here's one that i was able to google.

edit: this was the first thread. i had clearly JUST looked at his site at this point.
 
Back
Top