Opinion Is the US political system spent?

If you decentralize the country, you are just making bipartisanship a State level problem.

Well, no, because people have the option to then move to 49 other states if politics is something they care about.
And it's likely what they will do.
 
Well, no, because people have the option to then move to 49 other states if politics is something they care about.
And it's likely what they will do.

So if you dont want to be oppressed by the tyranny of the majority, just move out of your home? yeah sounds horrible.
 
So if you dont want to be oppressed by the tyranny of the majority, just move out of your home? yeah sounds horrible.

I think we're talking on different wave lengths here. What tyranny of the majority are you talking about? A democratic majority won't allow people to kill or harass other citizens or breach laws. I'm simply talking about the small percentage of citizens that refuse to live in a state which is either Republican or Democrat, because say, a Democrat antifa wants "no policing and full drug allowance" which isn't allowed in his Republican state. That person is free to move.

This is literally what's happening at this moment, its the legal status quo in the USA.
For example if I currently live in Portland, I'll have to accept the decree voted in, that reduces police presence.

All I'm advocating is even more state rights and federal government having less powers to impose things.
For example, if a Republican state wants to cut off immigration in its state and regulate immigration, they should be allowed to do so.
 
I think a formidable third party is totally viable. Especially now. Guys like Bernie, who could get out of the gate with a healthy base, are just too chicken shit to strike out and give it a shot. I don't think they'd have a problem fundraising and getting a healthy war chest together either. It would just take some time to build up, and be a pretty big gamble career wise, but you're never going to get anything without somebody like Bernie who has that built in appeal, splintering away from the Dems.

Fancy yourself a "radical progressive", or "revolutionary" who wants to shake up the system? Act like one.

3 party systems just aren't viable (beyond small regional parties that can represent a particular area like BQ in Canada) in a First Past the Post election. Electoral reform would have to come before credible third parties emerge that voters could feel like they could vote for without having their vote 'wasted'.
 
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I think we're talking on different wave lengths here. What tyranny of the majority are you talking about?

The tyranny of a simple majority that has the power to disenfranchise a political minority.

A democratic majority won't allow people to kill or harass other citizens or breach laws.

The tyranny of a majority always leads to tyranny in general.

If you allow 50+1 to hold all the power, what happens is that the 50+1 will disenfranchise the other 49.

Now decisions are made with 51% of the people, and out of that 51% there will be another democratic process where 25+1 will get all the power, which will disenfranchise the other 24, and out of the 26 left, 13+1 etc, etc.
 
So if you dont want to be oppressed by the tyranny of the majority, just move out of your home? yeah sounds horrible.
It is already happening and it isn’t a big deal. What oppression?

If people don’t like the high cost of living in California due to high taxes, bad energy and environmental policy, you move to a state with reasonable policy on those fronts, like people are already doing in Nevada, Idaho, Colorado, and Texas.

State governments don’t really have the power to “oppress” you except to oppress you with the stupidity of the majority of voters
 
It is already happening and it isn’t a big deal. What oppression?

It is a big deal and one of the reasons of the high tensions of today.

If people don’t like the high cost of living in California due to high taxes, bad energy and environmental policy, you move to a state with reasonable policy on those fronts, like people are already doing in Nevada, Idaho, Colorado, and Texas.

None of those things mentioned means you shouldnt have a voice.

State governments don’t really have the power to “oppress” you except to oppress you with the stupidity of the majority of voters

They can definitively remove your ability to vote through voter suppression and can outright gerrymander districts to make your voice not count.
 
Despite the fact that James Madison thought the system of government they were creating would put partisanship in check, in the practice it created a bipartisan system where parties seem to be above everything.

It kind of worked when America was somehow homogeneous and States were relatively isolated and State politics were important, but nowadays with what happened in Arizona and the reaction from Republicans and Democrats blaming the poor performance on lack or excess of progressivism.

Its clear that America needs a third party, but for a third party to be viable America needs to move towards parliamentary system or find a way for political minorities to be represented.

So instead of having 2 parties that range from extreme left to center and one that ranges from extreme right to center, you would have 3 parties.

One with the left like the types of Bernie Sanders and AOC

One with the center like the Clintons or the Bushes.

One with the right like Mitch McConnell.

And in order to have a functioning government there would be a need to compromise the dominant party would have to ally themselves with another party in order to have a functioning government and thus would work as checks.

Mitch McConnell is far right?
 
What are they?
Sincere question.

Free market capitalism.
Support for Israel.
Support for Western Europe.
Federal Constitutional Republic.
Federal reserve independence.
Support for the armed forces.
Judiciary independence.


I could name a lot of them, but most people are so used to their common values that they think "Well no shit sherlock" as if it was for granted.

America has no risk of devolving into a communist or fascist dictatorship no matter how much fearmongering there is.
 
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The tyranny of a simple majority that has the power to disenfranchise a political minority.



The tyranny of a majority always leads to tyranny in general.

If you allow 50+1 to hold all the power, what happens is that the 50+1 will disenfranchise the other 49.

Now decisions are made with 51% of the people, and out of that 51% there will be another democratic process where 25+1 will get all the power, which will disenfranchise the other 24, and out of the 26 left, 13+1 etc, etc.

Pretty sure Plato addressed this.
 
One with the left like the types of Bernie Sanders and AOC

One with the center like the Clintons or the Bushes.

One with the right like Mitch McConnell.


lolz @ thinking mcconnell is some sort of far right counterpart to aoc/bernie.

like... what?
 
Free market capitalism.
Support for Israel.
Support for Western Europe.
Federal Constitutional Republic.
Federal reserve independence.
Support for the armed forces.
Judiciary independence.


I could name a lot of them, but most people are so used to their common values that they think "Well no shit sherlock" as if it was for granted.

fair enough... though, I wouldn't be as confident as you in asserting all of those as unified values of Americans.
America has no risk of devolving into a communist or fascist dictatorship no matter how much fearmongering there is.

No doubt.
I just don't necessarily think that all of the states belong together. Not in terms of beliefs/values/identity.
 
lolz @ thinking mcconnell is some sort of far right counterpart to aoc/bernie.

like... what?

You honestly believe Bernie is some sort of Stalin? he is an FDR wannabe.
 
You honestly believe Bernie is some sort of Stalin? he is an FDR wannabe.

...why would i think a dumb socialist is "some sort of Stalin?" ffs, man. you have no comprehension of this shit, apparently.

but yes, bernie's pretty damn left. mcconnell's... not even a libertarian. like... what?
 
...why would i think a dumb socialist is "some sort of Stalin?" ffs, man. you have no comprehension of this shit, apparently.

As i said, do you think Bernie wants to end capitalism in America?

but yes, bernie's pretty damn left. mcconnell's... not even a libertarian. like... what?

Only hypocritical libertarians would consider themselves "far right" or even right at all.

Libertarians would be completely anti-political.
 
As i said, do you think Bernie wants to end capitalism in America

bernie, the avowed socialist? yeah, i think he'd love that.

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Only hypocritical libertarians would consider themselves "far right" or even right at all.

Libertarians would be completely anti-political.

...so...what exactly do you think "right" means.

because i can't fathom how you could think that a minimalist govt isn't that.
 
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