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Opinion Is the US political system spent?

Discussion in 'The War Room' started by Rod1, Nov 6, 2020.

  1. Rod1 Titanium Belt

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    Despite the fact that James Madison thought the system of government they were creating would put partisanship in check, in the practice it created a bipartisan system where parties seem to be above everything.

    It kind of worked when America was somehow homogeneous and States were relatively isolated and State politics were important, but nowadays with what happened in Arizona and the reaction from Republicans and Democrats blaming the poor performance on lack or excess of progressivism.

    Its clear that America needs a third party, but for a third party to be viable America needs to move towards parliamentary system or find a way for political minorities to be represented.

    So instead of having 2 parties that range from extreme left to center and one that ranges from extreme right to center, you would have 3 parties.

    One with the left like the types of Bernie Sanders and AOC

    One with the center like the Clintons or the Bushes.

    One with the right like Mitch McConnell.

    And in order to have a functioning government there would be a need to compromise the dominant party would have to ally themselves with another party in order to have a functioning government and thus would work as checks.
     
  2. The Big Bang Silver Belt

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    Well...it sure does need a RESET due to Trump being the worst POTUS ever...that is for sure.
     
  3. SammyPops Steel Belt

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    Pros and cons bro. Our 3 party system allows a party that wins 33% of the popular vote a majority govt, unchecked power.
     
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  4. SaltedVinegarfootstomps Blue Belt

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    Third parties can exist in our system, if they have the support. Libertarians and the Green Party occupy far out constellations of thought that don’t pertain to the majority of Americans, however. Hamilton and Jefferson both belonged to third parties, it’s just difficult to win the Presidency if you are not the traditional choice.
     
  5. HereticBD Plutonium Belt

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    I think a formidable third party is totally viable. Especially now. Guys like Bernie, who could get out of the gate with a healthy base, are just too chicken shit to strike out and give it a shot. I don't think they'd have a problem fundraising and getting a healthy war chest together either. It would just take some time to build up, and be a pretty big gamble career wise, but you're never going to get anything without somebody like Bernie who has that built in appeal, splintering away from the Dems.

    Fancy yourself a "radical progressive", or "revolutionary" who wants to shake up the system? Act like one.
     
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  6. grimballer Gold Belt

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    2 party system works better cause your coalitions happen before elections.

    Also parties need to readjust to the reality of the electorate.

    if republicans go too far right, it will show in the elections and they would have to go back to closer to center

    same with democrats
     
  7. wonderbread Stiff Member Banned

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    The US is collapsing like Rome... Corruption and the average IQ drops by 10 points each generation.

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    Recency bias is a helluvadrug
     
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  10. Sarge3000 Banned Banned

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    The US political system is a joke. But the main problem is not just the two party system (which is patently undemocratic). The problem is centralisation of power in Washington for a country that's third largest in the world and where people from one side of the country have totally different needs than the other side.

    What the US needs is much more state power (aka more federalism). Each state should be much more independent.
    For example if liberals and conservatives were to concentrate in states and create their fiefs, unimpeded by central government, there'd be much less tensions than today.

    Since 99% of the problem stem from polarised sides trying to reach central power to derive policies that concern them and alienate half the country. That wouldn't happen with more local democracy.
     
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    This, all systems have their flaws.
    In parliamentary systems you may end with people like Merkel who has been Chancellor since 2005(Bush era), in places without first past the post voting as in Brazil you have many parties and you can't have gerrymandering but they can't unite and vote for anything.
     
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    They should probably have 4 parties, populist right (Trumpian, Tea Party-style), populist left (progressive/socialism), establishment left (neo-liberalism) and establishment right (neo-conservatism).
     
  13. Rod1 Titanium Belt

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    Isnt there some sort of proportional representation based on votes obtained? like in Germany.
     
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    what prevents State political majority from oppressing the State political minority?
     
  15. Yehudim Brown Belt

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    Well that’s totally in opposition to what one side actually wants, hilariously that other side can’t comprehend that when you give that much power to central authority in a democratic society, sometimes your foe will get into power.
     
  16. Rod1 Titanium Belt

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    In a system where you can get 49.9% of the votes and still come out with zero representation it will mean that the system will gravitate towards a bipartisan system.

    In other systems you get some degree of representation based on the votes you get, which allows smaller parties to get some representation and thus a foothold to at least do something.
     
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    It feels like the US should be more than one country.
    There's little-to-no unifying values or vision anymore.
     
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  18. Rod1 Titanium Belt

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    Merkel remains in power because she does a great job and all parties respect her to lead the country, still she isnt above Congress and she can be removed the moment they lose faith.
     
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    There is indeed unifying values, but the parties pull at divisions because its electorally expedient to do so.

    Opposition against Obama was mainly over Obamacare and deficit spending, which the Republican party continued when they themselves got in power.

    In reality parties are closer than they appear but in a bipartisan system the loss of one side is the gain of the other so there is no incentive to work together.
     
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    If you're going to fix a banana republic you're going to need a complete reform. Trump winning and installing legit voting process would be a start but at this point it looks like the USA is pretty lost.
     
  21. Hungry Joe Brown Belt

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    The problem with current third parties is they are seen as more extreme versions of the major parties and only act as a spoiler. The DNC and GOP make it very clear to their side that the opposition is pure evil and voting third party is a vote for the enemy. I like the idea of a third party that takes the popular ideas from both sides and meets in the middle.
     

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