is the uchi mata unique to judo/jujutsu?

[futang17]

does anyone know if the uchi mata exists in another fighting art/system? aside from the obvious, it's in jujutsu since kano took it from jujutsu. i'm very interested in compiling a list of throws that are unique to judo and doesn't exist in another other arts. for example, i don't think the uchi mata exists in wrestling (since most wrestlers are surprised by it as a counter to the duck under) but the kata guruma was adapted by kano when he read about it in a wrestling book.

 

[Drew Foster]

does anyone know if the uchi mata exists in another fighting art/system? aside from the obvious, it's in jujutsu since kano took it from jujutsu. i'm very interested in compiling a list of throws that are unique to judo and doesn't exist in another other arts. for example, i don't think the uchi mata exists in wrestling (since most wrestlers are surprised by it as a counter to the duck under) but the kata guruma was adapted by kano when he read about it in a wrestling book.

As far as I know Kano got Kataguruma from Sumo, not wrestling.

As far as Uchimata, the idea of using grips to do a backstep entry, placing the hip deep, and throwing while using a lifting leg to assist the throw is probably unique to Japanese martial arts.

But the idea of using a lifting leg up the middle to throw someone onto the ground is not unique to Judo or Jujutsu at all.

The human body can only move so many ways. Of course there are some obscure Judo throws, but most can be seen in very crude form on the schoolyard, or even in nature (bears, etc.)

The throws that I would say are the most unique to Judo are the footsweeps. Even wrestling has some footsweep takedowns but not in the same way as the Judo ones in terms of standing tall & upright while sweeping feet out from under an opponent.

I would say groundfighting with submissions in a jacket is a very uniquely Japanese contribution to martial arts. I think that's more of a unique contribution from Judo than any of the standing techniques.

 

[SuperSuperRambo]

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[futang17]

The human body can only move so many ways. Of course there are some obscure Judo throws, but most can be seen in very crude form on the schoolyard, or even in nature (bears, etc.)

lol i saw the bear jitsu vid. thanks for the insight. yeah there are some throws that are just intiutive like osoto gari, you see kids in schoolyards doing it even though they have no idea what's going on.