Is Ronda Rousey basically the Royce Gracie of WMMA?

[COBRA03]

You never see a guy get armbarred anymore, they all know the escape move. How come the women haven't learned the escape yet?

 

[Kingfarthur]

No. The women Ronda is fighting know about her techniques and have trained against them. She is more like the men's version of Fedor.

 

[SnakeBites]

JDS before the loss to Cain was another kind of Royce Gracie, he beated all the opponents via boxing

The word is "beat" - Just trying to help.

I'd like to see Ronda vs Julianna Pena.

 

[Hotei]

No, no at all.

Royce was a mediocre athlete who submitted bigger and stronger guys thanks to his skills.
Ronda is the best athlete in WMMA, by FAR.

Two different stories. Two different careers.

 

[SnakeBites]

The WMMA fighter who is the Royce Gracie of WMMA is whoever can strike seeing as none of them know how. Royce won because he did what no one else knew how to do

Not true. Jessica Rakoczy & Holly Holm are great strikers. Holm has some of the best kicks seen in MMA, man or woman.

 

[IrritatedTomcat]

Nope she has a win via knee ko

A crazy early stoppage but I suppose..

 

[RubberGuard5]

You never see a guy get armbarred anymore, they all know the escape move. How come the women haven't learned the escape yet?

Cause she is far more skilled than everybody else.
Just like Roger Gracie gets cross collar choke vs everybody. All of his opponents know how to defend. He is just that good.

 

[Fantomas187]

No. For one she's fighting mma fighters. People who actually train specifically for mma. Not a bunch of people from different disciplines who have come together for an mma tournament. She's not fighting boxers or karate guys who have no idea about how to stop a double leg. Or wrestlers who have no idea about submissions.

Ronda is also different from Royce because she is great at two different elements of the game. Standing grappling/takedowns, and also on the ground with the submissions. She is very unusual in this regard. Many fighters who crossover to mma who have a high level background in their former sport are usually only really good at one thing. For example Sara McMann was a silver medalist in wrestling, so it's no surprise she's very successful at taking people down in mma. But it's obvious she still is learning about the ground game. Many successful BJJ athletes are very good on the ground, but have problems getting the fight there. For example the Diaz brothers are very respected for their BJJ skills, but are not very effective at getting the fight to ground to use those skills. Royce was your classic BJJ type, with nothing like the stand up grappling skills of Rousey. If he were fighting legitimate mma fighters like Rousey is, his limited standup skills would get exposed. Which is what happened against Sakuraba.

 

[Ancient Warrior]

I don't think so.

She redefined the appeal of wmma and is responsible for it being mainstream in the UFC, but she's not a pioneer in my opinion.

Carano was the first responsible for wmma gaining a large audience, even though she wasn't quite as successful.

If you're really talking about pioneers, you should be discussing fighters like Coenen and Megumi Fuji.

 

[mma2013]

no, absolutely not. let's not get over zealous here with the accolades, lol. rousey isn't the royce of wmma.

royce used bjj against his opponents who had little to no clue on what it was or how to defend against it. rousey is an expert in the juji gatame and it's not a mystery to her opponents that this is rousey's signature submission move. rousey has shown that she is far better in applying the juji gatame than her opponent's ability to defend against it.

so, no. rousey isn't the royce of wmma.

 

[BJJ_Rage]

Is not even close, aside for the submission rate... Rhonda is fighting people who know what's she's going to do, just can't stop her... Royce was fighting at times where he was way ahead the rest of fighters in fighting tactics (gjj was more of a fighting strategy than techniques) on Te other hand, Royce was a warrior, fought in Nhb tournaments with a bunch of cave man giving two fucks about weight classes, being himself a pretty light man with not much athletic skills, and most of the times the smaller guy in the cage, sometimes by far... Rhonda is the bully, always Te bigger and stronger person in the cage, both talk a lot of shit, both talk about not caring about weight when it comes to fight, yet Rhonda isn't willing tu go up 5 pounds to fight the only women who may be able to match her power... So no, is not even in close

 

[Merman]

Not really...probably more the Coleman or Kerr since wmma has been around longer than people know.

 

[Arkain2K]

Funny how this thread is created after a knee TKO.

 

[Zap]

No. She fights smaller women. Royce fought bigger men.
Not bashing, she has plenty of skills but is given favorable match ups.
Bring on Cyborg.

 

[dmc]

There are rules and classes now...How the f*ck can you compare her to Royce anyways?

 

[BigMuffler]

No, not at all.

More like Palhares or Bizarro-JDS as somebody hinted.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

No, no at all.

Royce was a mediocre athlete who submitted bigger and stronger guys thanks to his skills.
Ronda is the best athlete in WMMA, by FAR.

Royce was willing to fight larger guys who had zero knowledge of grappling. He is a legend, but nearly all his UFC fights were within a very short time span. By the time guys were getting wise to his game he was gone.

Ronda has already faced better competition in her career than Royce did in his.

 

[markg171]

Royce was willing to fight against any sized-opponent with minimal rules.
Ronda has attempted to call heavier fighters down to her weight class.

Therein lays the major difference.
Ronda is an athlete.
Royce is a fighter.

Ronda has been smoking over-matched opponents with her dominant submission game, just as Royce Gracie did in the old days, but outside of applying submission holds, I don't think they are very similar at all.

But they do both have controversial attitudes.

You know that Royce fought in a tournament that was rigged in his favour right?

 

[markg171]

Not true. Jessica Rakoczy & Holly Holm are great strikers. Holm has some of the best kicks seen in MMA, man or woman.

Which makes her more the Royce Gracie of MMA

 

[GET NO SCOPED]

Womens fighting bores me it's like watching two inferior men. Women aren't even as good at pro wrestling as men. In fact, can anyone tell me anything that women are better at than men (no bannerino for sexismerino plz).