Is regaining guard by average BJJ guys a mistake?

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  1. Kwic

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    Take a look at Joanna Jędrzejczyk. She does not accept being on her back, she is moving her hips right away and try to get to the cage where she can wall walk.

    If your BJJ is not good and you regain guard, it means you are complacent losing the round (or fight) since you will rather not submit the guy on top. Or you pray for the fighter on top to do nothing so that you are stood up.

    I hate seeing guys regain guard and be happy with themselves, doing nothing.
    If you regain guard, you better try all sorts of subs. Protecting yourself from being hit is not enough.

    The MMA fight is too short to be complacent while in guard IMO.
     
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    guard game is a very dangerous game to play in MMA... even if you are a specialist on the position it may cost you the fight if you spend to much time on it.
     
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    Think its a mistake by a lot of fighters, even good BJJ practitioners. Even when they not being hurt having the other fighter guard, judges score it as control time.
     
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    Yep, he was the second one to come to my mind.
     
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    Or they are confident in their sweeps/guard? I guess its hard to say.... What is the average BJJ of a UFC fighter?
     
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    HHJ Jeg reiser til mørkets dyp der alt er dødt.

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    I think it has to do with how they are being trained,and by whom.
     
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    Hmm, I guess someone who is not a black belt by UFC standards. ANd if someone is a black belt but knows that on top is a higher level black belt, they should try to stand up ASAP as well.
     
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    Sometimes guys just can't get up and having a guy in your guard is a lot better than having him in a more dominant position.
     
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    Great question. In most cases I say yes. It's a mistake unless you hold such an advantage in bjj that you know you can sweep or submit because one person has such a tremendous advantage, because only one punch needs to land to put person on their back in danger. So to answer if you can stand, create scramble or wall walk, it's the best option. However if you get taken down in mid cage , you must try to get full guard and control wrist and look for opening to make a move.
     
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    Then yeah I agree.

    Look at Doo Ho Choi vs Thiago Tavares for example. As soon as he hits the mat he is thinking to spring up/ get his back to the cage at all times.
     
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    If you can't fight the td and get back to your feet, you do it, sometimes thing you don't have a choice...

    Now days guard seems to be more about hanging on avoiding damage and wait for a stand up. There are very few savvy guard players, and there will be less and less, since being j guard automatically means you are losing the fight, even if you are doing more damage from elbows than the guy on top...
     
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    This, Anderson Silva is the perfect example of this. He has good BJJ but completely lacks the ability to get back up so he stays there and tries to receive as little punishment as he can.
     
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    It obviously depends on the skill set, as I'd argue there's a lot of guys who should be pulling guard more, never mind retaining it.

    if BJJ is your go to and you are losing on the feet, pulling guard is a better option than continuing to lose, yet so many people refuse to do it.
     
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    lol at the people saying it's a mistake. As if a fighter would rather be on his back with a guy in his guard than just stand up. If it was so easy to just stand back up, they would.
     
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    Exactly what happened to Pepey in his last fight. He kept pulling guard, even if he was active, he got a few sweeps and transitions that led to nothing, and the other guy couldn't do shit either. In that case it's quite obvious the winner is the guy on top.

    And that stupid mofo kept pulling guard over and over again. Made me lose some money, that idiot.
     
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    This. TS is oversimplifying jj as well as mma
     
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    goDEUSfredo pepey, lol
     
  20. Kwic

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    Yeah, but you are misreading my thought process I think. I meant it in a broader sense, including training etc.
    You can just TELL if someone wants to get up but fails and someone who immediately just wants to regain guard and does nothing.
    To my point, if you do nothing it means your BJJ is not great in which case you should be training your ass off in the gym to stand up and TRY TO DO IT in the fight.

    See my above reply. I know that saying that JJ does that it doesn't mean it's easy and can be applied in every situation, but a lot of guys' first reaction is to pull guard, not to stand up.
     
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