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Opinion Is patriotism dying ?

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  1. ArmenianAssasin Yellow Card Yellow Card

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    America used to be held in extremely high regard and Americans were extremely proud of who they were and their history - I feel like many Americans are now almost ashamed of being American

    The Average American male was a red Forman type

    I think it was because the older generation understood the sacrifices that were made to make America what it was and even thought it was obviously never perfect it was still very special

    We also always had a major evil we were fighting against communism, Nazis, British etc and the alternatives seemed so much worse

    It seems like the younger generation has no understanding of what it took for them to enjoy their “rights” their so quick to defend

    They should be sent to China , Russia , and Venezuela and see how many “rights” They have

    Can we have a strong and prosperous national
    Without patriotism?

    Is this a bi product of globalism and the internet connect people together throughout the world ?
     
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  2. Oceanmachine Purple Belt

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    yes its dead. and im starting to think it shouldnt be saved
     
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  3. fizban Green Belt Platinum Member

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    i could and would never betray this country in any way.

    having said that i don't feel particularly patriotic. my concern for human beings is global and i identify with the global human population more than with this particular country.

    i feel much more aligned to God and spirituality than i do to a sense of patriotism. i also think that parasitism must take the form of criticism too if it is to be anything more than a cultist siding of us vs them..
     
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  4. Big Brain you poor fools Double Yellow Card

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    the culture is crumbling and eating itself...i often tell my students that i don't think they're americans...they hardly possess any traditional american values... many immigrants strike me as more in tune with american culture
     
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  5. Social Distance Warrior Yellow Card Yellow Card

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    Unfortunately yes.


    Only a small segment of this population will stand up and defend it if a foreign threat arrives..

    The rest will either cheer on our aggressors or depend on social workers to save them.

    What's even more comical is that legal immigrants, the ones who cherish hardwork, personal accountability love this country more than leftists do. Edit ( poster above beat me to it)
     
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  6. Cole train Silver Belt

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    Its going down all over first world really
     
  7. RetiredSlave Red Belt

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    Im Canadian so I cant fully understand American level patriotism. I used to appreciate my countries way and how we were perceived. We were always cool with being a wholesome butt of jokes yet respected for our altruistic initiatives, peacekeeping in particular.

    For a nation of a only a few tens of million, we kicked more ass than we should have in WW2 too. Weve also contributed immensely to comedy over the 20th century. Those that are always the butt of jokes better learn how to make them.

    All that being said the west has turned out to be incredibly disappointing, such that I mostly ignore it now. No interest in participating in the larger society. Its weak as noodles.
     
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  8. AgonyandIrony Gold Belt

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    Can you please source the era you're describing? The 60s were full of riots, murder, and protests. Earlier than that we had massive labor riots, where the communists and socialists you say we fought against were murdered by the police. To give us the meager labor rights we enjoy today. We also had massive protests and civil unrest from the suffragette movement. The era WW1 Farmers marched to their slaughter to protest the draft. We also saw labor riots across the nation, from coal mining towns to the police murdering striking labor leaders in Seattle, Chicago, NY, etc. LGBT rights can be traced back to the Stonewall riots.

    The right for a woman to vote, do we understand and honor what those women had to endure? The right to an 8 hour workday? Do we honor the brave socialists who died to give it to us? Honoring the men who picked up arms to defeat the evil of the insurrectionist confederacy, do we honor those men? Because I see their memory tarnished when we defend statues honoring the murderous scum of the confederacy.

    You also seem to be thinking back on a time when college was far more affordable, healthcare was more affordable, and wages did not stagnate against cost of living inflation, infrastructure as well in the US post New Deal was also the talk of the world. You're left with a populace that could very well end up homeless if they are unlucky enough to fall ill. If we fix these things that benefit ALL citizens I think we'll see a rise of a patriotic mindset.

    I find your post odd, especially the line "their(they're) so quick to defend" I think knowing our rights, and defending those rights is very patriotic. America has a long history of civil disobedience from our founding, I'm quite proud of that. I also find it bewildering that people who are so deeply rooted in individualistic thought call themselves patriots. Shouldn't a patriot want all of his countrymen to have affordable healthcare? Shouldn't a patriot be offended at the mere thought of police brutality?
     
  9. ArmenianAssasin Yellow Card Yellow Card

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    Spark notes :
    so you’ll become patriotic when we become socialist and you’ve decided to embrace protest as the only part of American history that’s worth anything
     
  10. Billy no mates The Pub bore .

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    The virtue of the viscous.
     
  11. AgonyandIrony Gold Belt

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    No. I'm quite fond of our rich impacts on both art and the culinary world. American music is incredible, our food scene is incredible. One of my favorite things about traveling the country by road is stopping and enjoying local cuisine in small towns. Food is a wonderful way to learn about a local regions history. Music? You kidding me. We dominate. Hip hop, punk, jazz, rock and roll, country, folk, bluegrass? Come the fuck on. Bro there's a place in the city on Monday nights I can take you to get amazing fried chicken for lunch, we can stop in for a bluegrass jam. Walk across the street, catch nextdoor comedy and burlesque, walk a block and hit up a metal bar, an electronica bar, and a a jazz bar all literally next to each other while waiting for the dude to pull up with a massive smoker selling fall of the bone ribs. Walk a block down and hit up a 24/7 karaoke bar.

    That's America baby, and it's fucking awesome. When I travel I find places like that in every city and it's amazing.

    So no. I love America for those reasons as well. But you mentioned being patriotic due to the sacrifices those before have made. And I'm patriotic for those sacrifices. Are you also thankful for those communists who died to give you your labor rights?

    Am I proud as an American of our foreign policy? Absolutely not, why would you be? I'm a member of the WW2 museum here and spend quite a bit of time feeling quite patriotic there (outside of the Japanese Internment exhibit). I am in no way proud of what we've done to countries like Iraq, or the genocide we are actively taking part in in Yemen.

    I'm saying if we actually work together to take care of each other as a country, lift the poor up, help the homeless, make the country better for everyone. We will likely see a return to the kind of patriotism you're speaking of.

    You literally harkened back to a time when a HS education was sufficient to buy a house at a reasonable age.
     
  12. kenetics Silver Belt

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    Nationalism is stupid and dangerous. We need to get rid of it and understand that at a core level , all humans want the same thing.

    Be treated fairly, raise a family, education, and purpose.
     
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    About a decade-plus or so prior to that. The publications really started in earnest immediately following World War II, caught backlash and fought huge censorship battles over 1A rights. I gotta say, anybody who regards the male nude as "obscene" is either a self-loathing misandrist or simply clueless about western culture. It's the greatest and most important subject of artistic endeavor.

    "Man Is The Measure Of All Things" - Protagoras

    One, Inc. v. Olesen, 355 U.S. 371 (1958) was a landmark U.S. Supreme Court ruling and the first to address freedom of speech rights with respect to homosexuality. The Supreme Court reversed a lower court ruling that ONE Magazine violated obscenity laws, thus upholding constitutional protection for gay content, writing and publishing.

    Manual Enterprises, Inc. v. Day, 370 U.S. 478 (1962) was a U.S. Supreme Court ruling which held that publications consisting of photographs of nude or near-nude male fitness models are not obscene within the meaning of 18 U.S.C. § 1461. The majority found that portrayal of the male nude (and, implicitly, portrayal of the homosexual male nude) "cannot fairly be regarded as more objectionable than many portrayals of the female nude that society tolerates."
     
  14. kenetics Silver Belt

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    Some do, some are sold a false America dream even being a hard worker .

    You have the right telling legal immigrants to go back from where they came from. Then they understand deep rooted hatred from some Americans.
     
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    I think we're a much more cynical society. Back at the height of patriotism we didn't have internet access or awareness of what was happening with the rest of the world, so we had to rely on jingoistic media sources to paint our home nation as the bee's knees and everyone else as inferior. As our circle has increased we can now identify the flaws in our nation compared to a France, Germany, etc. As a Brit, I find it very hard to be proud of a country run incompetently and sees itself as greater then what it is due to it's past history.
     
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  16. AgonyandIrony Gold Belt

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    Very interesting, thank you for sharing.

    Have you heard of the Upstairs Lounge Fire? I live across the street from where it happened and went to a memorial a few days ago.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UpStairs_Lounge_arson_attack
     
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    I don't adhere to patriotism and nationalism but doesn't mean that I won't defend my country when push comes to shove. I think that's the key, although I realised that people either go full nationalistic or just straight up don't care so it's hard to hammers the idea that you don't have to rely on patriotic tendencies to protect your homeland.
    As for the young generations, I was at that stage 9 years ago. There's nothing wrong with having idealistic views on how society should operate, that's the beauty and the foolish naivety of youth. What's wrong is the people that used these kids for their own gain a.k.a enablers.
     
  18. TheComebackKid Titanium Belt

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    We're a nation that has been built on lies. Those lies have been exposed.
     
  19. genecop Gold Belt

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    To some degree patriotism should die..
     
  20. luckyshot The ONLY iPotWR Platinum Member

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    Patriotism means loving your country all the time, not being proud of your country all the time or thinking your country is doing well all the time or any other such nonsense.

    Think about the Bible. Who loved Israel more than the prophets who were constantly calling it out for it’s wicked ways and straying from the path of righteousness?
     

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