Is nobody else bothered that the Unified rules and scoring are killing the ground game?

[kikikhan]

Elbows make gnp so much easier and with no upkicks to the head, the gnp is too damn simple. I'd take away the elbows (I consider them the same as eye pokes and nut shots). I'd also stop stalling. It has no place as long as we have time limit. Stalling shouldn't win fights.

We'd get a much more diverse ground game back. Instead of just these options;gnp with elbows/submissions from the top, or trying to get back up. Guys on the bottom just try to get up these days. It's horrible.

 

[BigMuffler]

Elbows are cool, just ask Jon Jones and Travis Browne Pride.

 

[Hans Gercmiov]

I love elbows. They should expand them to include 12 to 6. Defintely don't get rid of them.

On your other point, at what point does top control become stalling? 10 seconds, 20 seconds? Idk, your proposal seems vague to me.

 

[IMSAYIN]

Elbows = Eye pokes, and Nut shots ???

 

[Bacco]

Elbows make gnp so much easier and with no upkicks to the head, the gnp is too damn simple. I'd take away the elbows (I consider them the same as eye pokes and nut shots). I'd also stop stalling. It has no place as long as we have time limit. Stalling shouldn't win fights.

We'd get a much more diverse ground game back. Instead of just these options;gnp with elbows/submissions from the top, or trying to get back up. Guys on the bottom just try to get up these days. It's horrible.

If the motherfucker is ground elbowing your face you have no space for upkicks anyway lol

I miss soccer kicks and stomp btw, really no reason to ban these

I'm ok with no 12-6 and upkicks

 

[Dart Feld]

Kikikhan topic, hmm I wonder if it's about how Pride was better or why HWs are awesome.

 

[eiyuu]

Oh look, another "elbows are bad" thread.

Unified rules don't need anything else taken away. Get over it.

 

[BruceLeeOnTRT]

Ya the no elbows in Pride was sweet, guys really had to posture up to gnp and would get caught in arm bars often. Elbows allow a lot of fighters to play it safer on the ground.

I don't think the American audience would like that rule tho, blood is a huge hit here.

 

[Hans Gercmiov]

Oh look, another "elbows are bad" thread.

Unified rules don't need anything else taken away. Get over it.

They need some restrictions taken away, imo. Like the 3 point stance. I hate that. I guess they could be considered additions though.

 

[Black Mamba]

What the ground game needs in the UFC is the implementation of knees to the head of a grounded opponent, stomps, and kicks. Those were some of the most exciting aspects of Pride.

 

[eiyuu]

They need some restrictions taken away, imo. Like the 3 point stance. I hate that. I guess they could be considered additions though.

Yes, that would be adding knees to the head on the ground

 

[Odoylerules4lyf]

Elbows are not like eye pokes and nut shots wtf how can you think that? I would love to see upkicks brought in and knees to the head on the ground. Sick of these bums gaming the system and touching the floor with a hand so they can't get kneed.

 

[Hans Gercmiov]

Yes, that would be adding knees to the head on the ground

I guess that would be ok, but I mean making it to where a guy can't just put his hand on the mat. They're playing the game, but it's just cheap to me. I'd like to see that done away with. I'd be ok if full out knees to a grounded opponent were still restricted.

 

[CoolKnees]

The only thing I'd like fixed is wall and stall. Guys will push you up against the cage or hold on to a leg and just waste time. Neither is really doing anything, but because the guy on top is the "aggressor" he's scoring points.

They should put 10 seconds minimum on that crap.

 

[Lucifer Alpha]

If you take away elbows on the ground, the fighter on bottom would be even more fucked. It's the only effective strike they can throw from their back as it stands right now.

Ya the no elbows in Pride was sweet, guys really had to posture up to gnp and would get caught in arm bars often. Elbows allow a lot of fighters to play it safer on the ground.

I don't even know if that's true but if it is it likely had more to do with fighters being shittier and having poor sub defense compared to now. Pride had a bunch of cans.

 

[kikikhan]

Elbows = Eye pokes, and Nut shots ???

They break faces and destroy skin.

That is more than I'm prepared to accept as neccessery for a sport of fighting.

I prefer rules that enable longer careers.

 

[Ken Fresno]

Elbows are not like eye pokes and nut shots wtf how can you think that? I would love to see upkicks brought in and knees to the head on the ground. Sick of these bums gaming the system and touching the floor with a hand so they can't get kneed.

Kicks to the head should be allowed by a grounded fighter no matter where the other guy is. No reason you shouldn't be able to throw upkicks from a fifty-fifty position or the guard like Anderson-Okami 1.

Knees on the ground are tricky with the cage though. You can't have guys getting kneed(or soccer kicked) on the ground up against the cage. You just have to compromise and accept that that's too graphic for casuals, and maybe even too dangerous for the fighters.

 

[fightfan70]

pride rules!

 

[kikikhan]

If the motherfucker is ground elbowing your face you have no space for upkicks anyway lol

I miss soccer kicks and stomp btw, really no reason to ban these

I'm ok with no 12-6 and upkicks

It depends on the gnp position and leg flexibility. I can upkick you no matter where your head is lol

Even though elbows+Pride rules would be brutal but awesome. I think it's better for fighter healh to make it Strikeforce rules + unlimited upkicks.

 

[kikikhan]

Kikikhan topic, hmm I wonder if it's about how Pride was better or why HWs are awesome.

My topic as allways is exactly about what I said it is.