is my son being to rough in judo?

I got flamed pretty hard a few weeks back in the S&C forum for wanting my kid to wrestle along with football. the reaction I got was like I had said I want my kid to be a serial killer drug addict. this sherdog place has a lot of effeminate beta's and the sad part about that is, most are unaware they are such.

Because kids doing football and wrestling like if they were teenagers is incredibly counter-productive to development. For every kid that becomes a champ later in life there are 10 who are burnt out or worse.
 
Exactly
As i have said my son only started judo last year and does it one evening a week. He has done less than ten competitions.
I don't expect him to be Steve poulin.

There is some great judo champions that only specialise in one throw as well.
Judo is about throwing. Kid goes for the throw actively!
It would be like telling a kid for trying to hard at sweeping a bejayjay match!
 
LOL BS, thats some serious multi-level marketing

Thats just a way to create mindless slaves, see you work hard but you dont get paid enough because you arent trying hard enough. Just keep going in the rat race working 50 hours a week and dying in a ditch when you are too old to work.

The lose you get squat mentality will only make 2 kinds of people, people with low self-esteem that achieves nothing because its afraid of failure and people who will do anything to get ahead in life, which pretty much represents all of the world politicians.

You lost me there rod!
Do you agree or disagree with what I wrote?
 
It create a bunch of useless child that turn into teen and then adults. They just expect to rewarded in life because they just participated in life. They believe that society owes them something. They are pissed off at others working harder and achieving better. They just want everyone else to be on the same income as them. They in return tell their kids it is ok to not be competitive and achievers. They are not go getters because that what they were told from kids.

Once again, it is an opinions from people I spoke too.

Is this something you actually saw in people or otherwise heard people express this opinion, or just what you hear people talk about?

I'm from that generation. I've never actually met anyone who feels that they are entitled to anything. Absurdly lazy? Sure, but they know they are lazy and they're fine with it. They certainly don't go saying that they deserve anything.

I don't like the "everyone is a winner" mentality that has been in vogue in the last 15 or so years either. I never quite understood why we got trophies for being 4th place in the community soccer league for "participation". But children are not dumb. They see what is reality and know that what they're receiving right now is at odd with reality.

And don't even try to point at the "Occupy Wall-street" folks or anyone like them. There is no difference from what they did and what folks have been doing for generations. Using them to claim that this is new behavior is just being ignorant about the past or looking at the world with tinted glasses.
 
The parents were telling that it reflects on the new generation.
It create a bunch of useless child that turn into teen and then adults. They just expect to rewarded in life because they just participated in life. They believe that society owes them something. They are pissed off at others working harder and achieving better. They just want everyone else to be on the same income as them. They in return tell their kids it is ok to not be competitive and achievers. They are not go getters because that what they were told from kids.

Once again, it is an opinions from people I spoke too.

Yes this^^^ and add to it sour grapes and excuses from both the kids and the parents. My daughter in first grade found out about a gifted magnet program school, studied and worked extra hard for the next two years. She applied in third grade and got accepted. What do I hear from other parents? Gosh, my child would have got in but ...... excuse, excuse, excuse. Or, gosh, I don't really think that program is good.....

Encouraging kids to participate is great. Kids should participate in any number of activities. But, if all children are rewarded just for participation than they don't learn that participation is sometimes just the starting point not the end goal.

To take this back to the original post post - your child wants to win, and that is a good thing.
 
Is this something you actually saw in people or otherwise heard people express this opinion, or just what you hear people talk about?

I'm from that generation. I've never actually met anyone who feels that they are entitled to anything. Absurdly lazy? Sure, but they know they are lazy and they're fine with it. They certainly don't go saying that they deserve anything.

I don't like the "everyone is a winner" mentality that has been in vogue in the last 15 or so years either. I never quite understood why we got trophies for being 4th place in the community soccer league for "participation". But children are not dumb. They see what is reality and know that what they're receiving right now is at odd with reality.

And don't even try to point at the "Occupy Wall-street" folks or anyone like them. There is no difference from what they did and what folks have been doing for generations. Using them to claim that this is new behavior is just being ignorant about the past or looking at the world with tinted glasses.

It something that my work colleagues talk about. They would be in the late 50, early 60s. They are grandparents as well, they had their share of raising their kids. Personally I do not have kids so I cannot say much about it.
 
Being gay is not equal to being feminine, the heck, even being female is not necesarily equal to being feminine.

Prostitution is legal in Mexico (as long as you are independent), try picking a fight with the gay prostitutes where i live and you wont leave there in one piece, no matter who you are.

I never referenced homosexuals in my post anywhere. But since you bring them up specifically, if you feel that gay men as a group do not display more effeminate traits than straight men on average, you can invalidate any kind of argument on the subject by simply playing the PC card.
 
It something that my work colleagues talk about. They would be in the late 50, early 60s. They are grandparents as well, they had their share of raising their kids. Personally I do not have kids so I cannot say much about it.

Then that would be a case of generational differences.

Every generation thinks that their children's generation is lazy and or otherwise lacking in certain qualities. Then their children grow up to become actual independent adults and then they realize that is (generally) not the case.

My father is in his late 50s. He worked 12-14hr+ days throughout his younger working years. He was part of the post-war generation in Korea that believed in the ideology that they must sacrifice themselves for the betterment of their country.

You know what's the funny part? My grandfather considered my father lazy and good for nothing. You know why? Because he studied and otherwise acted as a student and a young adult (with all the implications that follows) instead of helping out at the family store in his early 20s. And because he failed the college entrance exams and had to go to the Korean equivalent of a community college instead of a full-fledged university.

Now he works at one of the largest semiconductor companies in the world and makes an embarrassingly large amount of money.

In short- the qualities you have in your youth and how you act then do not mean much in comparison to how you act in your adulthood.

This doesn't actually have much to do with the real issue embodied by the "everyone is a winner!" mentality going around today. Could it lead to idiotic people who are self-indulgent and think they deserve more than they really do? Yes, of course. I know that this trend is only really just starting and it will be the later generations that we'll have to keep an eye on.

But taking what older folks say about the younger folks as simple truth is misleading. The older generation generally thinks poorly of the younger generation. Parents tend to see all the flaws of their children and none of their virtues.

But I've yet to meet any of those "I deserve everything!" people that supposedly exist, and until I meet them i'll simply consider it just the older generation doing what they are wont to do.
 
It is not a generation thing.
It is now reflecting in the PC policies in the schools in my country.
Please note I do not live in the us.
The work colleagues were disscusing school policies.
 
I never referenced homosexuals in my post anywhere. But since you bring them up specifically, if you feel that gay men as a group do not display more effeminate traits than straight men on average, you can invalidate any kind of argument on the subject by simply playing the PC card.

You quoted someone who was talking about Einarr homophobia.

Also yes, im talking about drag dressed prostitutes, they are effeminate in appearance but that doesnt means they are tame or even pushovers, which is what Einarr meant when he blamed "the gays and the feminists".

male gay prostitutes are one of the weirdest groups you can find in the street, and one group you would be wise not to cross in a bad way, since they are all their own pimps, they have the craziness of both a hooker and a pimp.
 
Participation certainly is something not worth of being rewarded, but hard work and trying hard certainly are.

In the end if your kid takes sports is because of its formative qualities, not to rack kid trophies and in the end your kid is far better equipped by life if he knows that trying hard is more important than winning.
 
Einarr was on board the moment he saw the kid only does Osoto.

To be honest, your kid does have a physical, even bullying, style. But the people who think that's a bad thing should probably pick a different sport, like curling.

Agreed. This ain't hop scotch.
 
Participation certainly is something not worth of being rewarded, but hard work and trying hard certainly are.

In the end if your kid takes sports is because of its formative qualities, not to rack kid trophies and in the end your kid is far better equipped by life if he knows that trying hard is more important than winning.

The problem with this is determining whether people actually worked and tried hard.

It is subjective. And I believe everyone should live with the state of mind that, if they consider it worth doing, then they better try hard. I don't know why you would need an award to signify that you tried hard.

But, then again, they are children... Children enjoy getting rewards.
 
The problem with this is determining whether people actually worked and tried hard.

It is subjective. And I believe everyone should live with the state of mind that, if they consider it worth doing, then they better try hard. I don't know why you would need an award to signify that you tried hard.

But, then again, they are children... Children enjoy getting rewards.

Agreed, but rewards can be something besides medals, it can be a trip to the ice cream shop or your dad approval.
 
I never realised starting this thread would lead to a philosophical debate.
 
Because kids doing football and wrestling like if they were teenagers is incredibly counter-productive to development. For every kid that becomes a champ later in life there are 10 who are burnt out or worse.



I think what Seamus is instilling in his SON is very admirable. Judo is a martial art that can prepare one for life's challenges by instilling work ethic, basic strategy, and an overall grit that most American boys are sorely lacking. Also, I don't see the problem with starting kids young in combat sports. I started playing little league football when I was seven, and the only severe injury I got as a kid was when my brother decided to put a piece of ice in a snowball and Nolan Ryan it at my eye as hard as he could. and after years of football coaches screaming at me and calling me names by the time I got to Fort Benning, GA. there wasn't one thing a drill sergeant could say that got under my skin.
 
You quoted someone who was talking about Einarr homophobia.

Also yes, im talking about drag dressed prostitutes, they are effeminate in appearance but that doesnt means they are tame or even pushovers, which is what Einarr meant when he blamed "the gays and the feminists".

male gay prostitutes are one of the weirdest groups you can find in the street, and one group you would be wise not to cross in a bad way, since they are all their own pimps, they have the craziness of both a hooker and a pimp.

I was referencing the general American public, not gay Mexican male prostitutes. I do not have enough of a command of knowledge to comment on how homosexual men who sell their bodies for sex south of the border feel about American male tendencies such as aggression and competition and their relevance in human development and societal gravity.
 
Agreed, but rewards can be something besides medals, it can be a trip to the ice cream shop or your dad approval.

In my experience, kids will fight 100x harder for these types of intrinsic rewards in comparison to prizes handed out on the podium. You almost never see kids go crazy when they get handed a medal, but when dad agrees to take them to Baskin n Robbins after the tournament, they go crazy.
 
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