Is Maia/Brown a gimme fight?

[warriorfan808]

Matt Brown is going to frustrate Maia, with TDD defense and striking. Maia will tire, throw haymakers, and Brown will control the fight. With that said, it's Brazil. Split decision for Maia.

 

[SuperDiazBros]

Brown could be the third best striker Maia has ever fought. Maia's lost to the other two.

 

[politozx7r]

I'd go with Maia/Hendricks if he wins this one

Tough to deny him a shot
Former #1 contender who fought for the belt at 85
He's 7 of 9 in his last 9 fights
4 fight win streak this will make it 5
I think all he has to do is hope wonderboy loses and the title shot is his

 

[Daweed]

Maia : monster grappler in the clinch

Brown : monster thai striker in the clinch

Who knows. One knee/elbow/brutal sequence and it could be over for Maia. One takedown and it will be over for Brown, if it doesn't occur late in the round.

No gimme. I want to see these two martial artists going at it in a clinch war. That's where the story of the fight will be determined

 

[Marco Tropoja]

With that said, it's Brazil. Split decision for Maia.

Didn't go well for him against Shields.

 

[MikeMcMann]

What a joke. This guy just used the "MacDonald, Herman, and Quarry were ranked high " argument. Compared to Today's MWs they were absolute cans and will be largely forgotten. As an all around fighter MacDonald was a joke.

When Maia rolls thru Brown, Mcann will continue to spout this same bullshit that he isn't any better at WW. It sucks because even though Maia is elite even I realize that 39 is ancient and unless you are Anderson Silva a downside is inevitable.

The bigger joke is how ignorant you are about the WW Maia has fought and beat so far.

None of them. NONE of them will be remembered in MMA if they all retire today based on their records.

Read that again as it is important.

Perhaps what they do in the FUTURE (after their fight with Maia) will show them to be true contenders or guys who can rise up and be remembered but BEFORE they fought and lost to Maia they were in the same position as the MW he beat. Up and comers or guys showing promise on a good run, and had they beat Maia at the time would have risen to solid top 10 and possibly near top 5 level within the division.

Were the MW's he was beating world beaters at the time, NO. But they were dangerous, solid top 10 +/- fighters. Are the WW he is beating now world beaters at the time he is beating them, NO. But they are dangerous solid top 10+/- fighters.

its so sad how incredibly ignorant so many of you are about Maia's MW run to his title shot and how that leads you to shit on him and his opposition at that time.

 

[MikeMcMann]

Lemme tell you this...

It would take an idiot to think that he's wins at Middleweight are better than his wins at Welterweight. It's night and day!

Ryan Jensen
Ed Herman
Jason MacDonald
Nate Quarry
Mario Miranda
Kendall Grove
Jorge Santiago

None of those names were top 10 talent at the time of the fight. If they were, it was just due to how poor the Middleweight division was for all those years. If they were in the top 10, it was definitely at the bottom end.

He has submitted 2 guys at 170, both were clearly in the top 10 and are both still competitive there. He submitted 5 guys at MW, and they were all weak fighters other than Chael.

Maia at 170 > Maia at 185

Wait clarify your statement please so I can respond to it.

You first say none of them were top 10. They you say 'if they were it was only because the division was weak'. Which is it as I would love to prove you FACTUALLY wrong but if your out will simply be 'well they shouldn't have been'...well that is just like your opinion man.

And I would love for you to put up Maia's WW wins and show us FACTUALLY how they are world beaters by showing us within their fight records what they have accomplished that makes them so much better then those MW's? Don't give me your opinion about what the WW might do in the future. Give me the facts about what they have done/achieved prior to Maia beating them. Bet you won't do it.

 

[MikeMcMann]

Tough to deny him a shot
Former #1 contender who fought for the belt at 85
He's 7 of 9 in his last 9 fights
4 fight win streak this will make it 5
I think all he has to do is hope wonderboy loses and the title shot is his

it would be nice to see him get one relevant top win in that win streak at WW before getting that shot. Prove he can beat a relevant top WW during his pre title shot win streak.

And if you look at the posts of most who call themselves Maia fans you can basically write off his MW as wins over garbage only, so not sure that should factor in at all. I am busy defending Maia's MW run but man they are convinced he did nothing of note in that division.

 

[B-Man]

I think Maia will be too much for Brown, sub in the 2nd is my pick.

 

[The Natural Born Runner]

The bigger joke is how ignorant you are about the WW Maia has fought and beat so far.

None of them. NONE of them will be remembered in MMA if they all retire today based on their records.

Read that again as it is important.

Perhaps what they do in the FUTURE (after their fight with Maia) will show them to be true contenders or guys who can rise up and be remembered but BEFORE they fought and lost to Maia they were in the same position as the MW he beat. Up and comers or guys showing promise on a good run, and had they beat Maia at the time would have risen to solid top 10 and possibly near top 5 level within the division.

Were the MW's he was beating world beaters at the time, NO. But they were dangerous, solid top 10 +/- fighters. Are the WW he is beating now world beaters at the time he is beating them, NO. But they are dangerous solid top 10+/- fighters.

its so sad how incredibly ignorant so many of you are about Maia's MW run to his title shot and how that leads you to shit on him and his opposition at that time.

Thing is, nobody is "shitting" on him.

I'm actually doing the opposite and giving him major credit for his WW run. I'm confused at where you are getting this impression.

I don't understand how you are calling Quarry and MacDonald "dangerous" and "solid", and then saying that the likes of LaFlare, Magny etc. are not solid.

MacDonald had 9 losses when he fought Maia.

Quarry was 10-2 and Pete Sell x2 was his marquee victories.

Ryan Jensen was 11-2, and had beaten a grand total of 2 fighters who own a Wikipedia page.

Really bro? These guys were "solid" and the guys at WW are not?

Rick Story, who had victories over Johny Hendricks, Jake Ellenberger and Thiago Alves isn't better than them?

Ryan LaFlare, who was 11-0 with wins over McGee, Ponzinibbio and Howard isn't better than them?

Alexander Yakovlev at 21-4-1, with a win over Paul Daley isn't solid?

Gunnar Nelson at 14-1-1 wasn't and isn't solid?

Jon Fitch at 24-4-1 (1) wasn't better than those guys?

You just said "NONE of them will be remembered in MMA if they retired today" ... that is simply laughable when you look at the guys he beat at MW.

You telling me Fitch won't be remembered?

Let's go through them.

Ryan Jensen - 20-8 / Who in the blue hell cares about this guy, couldn't even tell you what he looks like.
Ed Herman - 23-11 (1) / Journeyman who nobody cares about.
Jason MacDonald - 25-16 / Wait, did you say Rory? Oh, no. Nah I don't care about this guy.
Nate Quarry - 12-4 / Famous and remembered forever for getting knocked stiff by Franklin.
Chael Sonnen - 29-14-1 / Will 100% be remembered, for his great smack talk, Anderson fights and his steroids.
Dan Miller - 14-8 (1) / The lesser brother of Jim.
Mario Miranda - 14-7 / Who?
Kendall Grove - 23-15 (1) / Wasted talent from TUF
Jorge Santiago - 25-12 / Pshhh...

185-95 overall record for the guys he beat at MW. That's under 500 bro.

Just face it, you're wrong.

 

[Reaperman]

Brown does good in stand up wars. He took advantage of Wonderboy's green grappling in their fight, but Maia's grappling is obviously on a different level. Maia is sneaky, and I doubt Brown will be able to keep the distance long enough to get the KO. Brown is absolutely relentless though, and is a dangerous fight for anyone.....

 

[The Natural Born Runner]

Wait clarify your statement please so I can respond to it.

You first say none of them were top 10. They you say 'if they were it was only because the division was weak'. Which is it as I would love to prove you FACTUALLY wrong but if your out will simply be 'well they shouldn't have been'...well that is just like your opinion man.

And I would love for you to put up Maia's WW wins and show us FACTUALLY how they are world beaters by showing us within their fight records what they have accomplished that makes them so much better then those MW's? Don't give me your opinion about what the WW might do in the future. Give me the facts about what they have done/achieved prior to Maia beating them. Bet you won't do it.

Nobody ever said the guys he's beaten at WW are "world beaters", I simply said they were better than the guys he beat at MW. That's all I claimed, and that is correct.

You then tried to change the narrative and say "well the MW guys will be remembered more", and I've debunked that also. He fought a bunch of average guys, and Chael Sonnen. That's his MW run.

His MW losses came to legit guys, top 5 guys - like Munoz, Weidman, Silva and Marquardt. No shame in those losses.

Wins over Story, Nelson, Fitch, Kim (although unfortunate ending) completely dwarf his MW run.

Let's just be honest...

 

[bufetadanacara]

I'm pumped for this fight, I've wanted to see this for a long time.
This is a great example of what MMA should be, classic style vs style match.

This could easily go either way.

 

[listrahtes]

Brown may be an easy grapple win for Maia but Matt Brown is never a gimme fight!

He is too much of a maniac

If he only has the slightest chance he will unleash whatever is possible. If he survives the first 2 rounds there is Maias gas tank which was a problem in the past. Late Tko Brown may be not so realistic but it is always an option with Brown.

I`d say Maia is a 70:30 favourite but the 30% could severely hurt

 

[MikeMcMann]

Thing is, nobody is "shitting" on him.

I'm actually doing the opposite and giving him major credit for his WW run. I'm confused at where you are getting this impression.

I don't understand how you are calling Quarry and MacDonald "dangerous" and "solid", and then saying that the likes of LaFlare, Magny etc. are not solid.

MacDonald had 9 losses when he fought Maia.

Quarry was 10-2 and Pete Sell x2 was his marquee victories.

Ryan Jensen was 11-2, and had beaten a grand total of 2 fighters who own a Wikipedia page.

Really bro? These guys were "solid" and the guys at WW are not?

Rick Story, who had victories over Johny Hendricks, Jake Ellenberger and Thiago Alves isn't better than them?

Ryan LaFlare, who was 11-0 with wins over McGee, Ponzinibbio and Howard isn't better than them?

Alexander Yakovlev at 21-4-1, with a win over Paul Daley isn't solid?

Gunnar Nelson at 14-1-1 wasn't and isn't solid?

Jon Fitch at 24-4-1 (1) wasn't better than those guys?

You just said "NONE of them will be remembered in MMA if they retired today" ... that is simply laughable when you look at the guys he beat at MW.

You telling me Fitch won't be remembered?

Let's go through them.

Ryan Jensen - 20-8 / Who in the blue hell cares about this guy, couldn't even tell you what he looks like.
Ed Herman - 23-11 (1) / Journeyman who nobody cares about.
Jason MacDonald - 25-16 / Wait, did you say Rory? Oh, no. Nah I don't care about this guy.
Nate Quarry - 12-4 / Famous and remembered forever for getting knocked stiff by Franklin.
Chael Sonnen - 29-14-1 / Will 100% be remembered, for his great smack talk, Anderson fights and his steroids.
Dan Miller - 14-8 (1) / The lesser brother of Jim.
Mario Miranda - 14-7 / Who?
Kendall Grove - 23-15 (1) / Wasted talent from TUF
Jorge Santiago - 25-12 / Pshhh...

185-95 overall record for the guys he beat at MW. That's under 500 bro.

Just face it, you're wrong.

Lol. Maia's biggest accomplishment in his career so far was his MW title shot.

You and others are not only saying it was undeserved but you are also saying his opponents were near garbage. Thus he really never did anything of note at MW.

Even here you are doing the typical sherdog thing by selectively pulling out information to make his MW opponents look bad instead of putting out the whole picture for people to look at.

You are playing the same game fanboys or haters do when they want to make any fighter look bad and it even gets done to Fedor, Anderson and GSP as the GOATS.

Here, is a thread I just created (Maia at MW...was it that bad? ) which does not do that. If I wanted to I cold go through only his WW opponents and crap on the holes or bad in their record while not doing the same with the MW''s (as you do above) but instead I present both equally.

 

[The Natural Born Runner]

Lol. Maia's biggest accomplishment in his career so far was his MW title shot.

You and others are not only saying it was undeserved but you are also saying his opponents were near garbage. Thus he really never did anything of note at MW.

Even here you are doing the typical sherdog thing by selectively pulling out information to make his MW opponents look bad instead of putting out the whole picture for people to look at.

You are playing the same game fanboys or haters do when they want to make any fighter look bad and it even gets done to Fedor, Anderson and GSP as the GOATS.

Here, is a thread I just created (Maia at MW...was it that bad? ) which does not do that. If I wanted to I cold go through only his WW opponents and crap on the holes or bad in their record while not doing the same with the MW''s (as you do above) but instead I present both equally.

Thanks for the link to the post.

I appreciate your difference in opinion, not a crime to have a differing opinion.

I like someone who holds their own.

I will continue this on your new post.

Peace.

 

[MikeMcMann]

Nobody ever said the guys he's beaten at WW are "world beaters", I simply said they were better than the guys he beat at MW. That's all I claimed, and that is correct.

You then tried to change the narrative and say "well the MW guys will be remembered more", and I've debunked that also. He fought a bunch of average guys, and Chael Sonnen. That's his MW run.

His MW losses came to legit guys, top 5 guys - like Munoz, Weidman, Silva and Marquardt. No shame in those losses.

Wins over Story, Nelson, Fitch, Kim (although unfortunate ending) completely dwarf his MW run.

Let's just be honest...

Offer proof the MW's he beat were better at the time he beat them? PROOF.

IF MMA ended as a sport today what PROOF would you offer that those WW were better? PROOF?

I dare you to try without going into what you THINK those WW might achieve in the future.

And please quote me saying the "MW's will be remembered more" since you have attributed that quote to me.

I never said or suggested any such thing. What I said was that NEITHER the MW' or WW's he beat were world beaters. Neither will be particularly remembered based on their fight records pre Maia. They are all basically the same.

Again you are the one trying to paint this huge disparity between his WW wins and MW wins as if the former were great over far better competition and the latter were less over garbage competition. What you do not do is offer any FACTS to back up your position.

 

[The Natural Born Runner]

Offer proof the MW's he beat were better at the time he beat them? PROOF.

IF MMA ended as a sport today what PROOF would you offer that those WW were better? PROOF?

I dare you to try without going into what you THINK those WW might achieve in the future.

And please quote me saying the "MW's will be remembered more" since you have attributed that quote to me.

I never said or suggested any such thing. What I said was that NEITHER the MW' or WW's he beat were world beaters. Neither will be particularly remembered based on their fight records pre Maia. They are all basically the same.

Again you are the one trying to paint this huge disparity between his WW wins and MW wins as if the former were great over far better competition and the latter were less over garbage competition. What you do not do is offer any FACTS to back up your position.

You've also provided zero facts and just opinions.

So this whole "use facts" complaint is odd.

You've not stated one fact.