Is Lomachenkos Dad the most successful trainer right now?

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  1. Cowboyletsgo

    Cowboyletsgo Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    He trains Lomachenko & Usyk.

    Both guys won 4 Gold medals & world titles.

    Wich father is currently more successful in boxing as a Trainer?

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  2. aries

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    I'd say so. I don't know of any other trainer that trains two of the current top 5 P4P'ers.
     
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  3. Yacob

    Yacob I love boxing

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    I can't wait to see you guys when Lomachenko loses for the 2nd time in under 20 fights


    THAT is gonna be fun
     
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  4. svmVR2097

    svmVR2097 Purple Belt

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    and what will it prove other than he’s had the toughest run of opponents to start a career than just about anyone else, especially those in this century?
     
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    He may lose again in his next few fights. As far as I remember famous boxing records, being anywhere between 13-2 and 16-2 in world title bouts isn’t all that shameful, though.
     
  6. loyalyolayal

    loyalyolayal Steel Belt

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    That's Vidal Sassoon.
     
  7. SandaKicker

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    It’s still a lot better than Henry Armstrong’s start.

    2 losses in 20 fights is a lot better than 1-3 in your first 4.
     
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    mmmm. I would say no tbh.
     
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  9. UnicornNinjas

    UnicornNinjas Blue Belt

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    Training amateurs =/= training pros, you have to be very different in your approach. He's done well acclimating but a lot of that is on Loma's shoulders as much as his. He also doesn't train Usyk, might've worked with him while he was on the Ukrainian national team and advises him in camp but Usyk has always been adamant about having his own head trainer, first Bashir, then Vatamanyuk and I believe he's currently with Russ Anber.

    As far as best pro trainers I think Garcia is the first guy who comes to mind, McGuigan is working with a lot of good UK talent and Freddie is still doing well for himself even though he's past his training prime.
     
  10. Yacob

    Yacob I love boxing

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    Yeah but here's the thing


    You guys aren't average sherdoggers, you all seem to post about history, which says you're students of the game to some degree.

    But on the flip side there are now people who actually believe Spence is worse than they thought after beating the best Shawn Porter we've yet to see....I'm speaking more to those ones
     
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  11. Kovalev's "Man Bag"

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    Which father is more successful? Right now it's Anatoly. The only competition Anatoly Lomachenko has in that dynamic (father/trainer) currently is Naoya Inoue's father/trainer, Shingo. It really depends how you measure success. Anatoly is a two-time consecutive BWAA Trainer of the Year (Eddie Futch Award recipient) and does train or has professionally trained (in Usyk's case) two of the top fighters in the world, both Pound-for-Pound rated.

    BWAA “Trainer of the Year” multiple award winners (1989–2018)
    • George Benton (2×)
    • Eddie Futch (2×)
    • Emanuel Steward (2×)
    • Felix Trinidad Sr. (2×)
    • Freddie Roach (7×)
    • Dan Birmingham (2×)
    • Anatoliy Lomachenko (2×)
    www.bwaa.org/past-winners
     
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  12. kenji goh

    kenji goh Blue Belt

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    So you are trying to taunt an hypothetical lowly kind of sherdogger by talking shit about one of the p4p best boxers and quoting aries, a guy who's been member here from fucking 2004.
    Nice going.
     
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  13. Yacob

    Yacob I love boxing

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    It's amazing how low the average person's comprehension level is here.

    For a place where the only form of communication is text, you'd think you'd actually be able to like, understand.
     
  14. svmVR2097

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    The same kind of people that think Tyson is a top 3 HW of all time
     
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  15. kenji goh

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    And you continue to make accusations about the level of the forum.
    It seems you became an expert the few months you are posting here.

    You talked the same shit in the stand up forum the other day.
    Accusing an old member with a pro tag that he got it by shertard standards.
    And you remember how that went for you.
    Funny that you disappeared afterwards.
     
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  16. Yacob

    Yacob I love boxing

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    There's a lot of amateur pro fighters here. That guy is the biggest joke of the bunch and I stand by whatever i said.

    Also you're a salty bitch who that fake boxer would ko.

    Edit: tbh i didn't know they responded. I called him out respectfully to a bout
     
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  17. Yacob

    Yacob I love boxing

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    In fairness he did have that level of potential. I think if he was 20 years old at the height of Bowe/Lennox, we would really know for sure where he ranked....

    But yeah i get what you mean
     
  18. Stormtrooper85

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    Jokes on you, Loma isn't gonna take any fight he won't win. Just a series of eh fights and a "superfight" with Inoue if Arum gets his way
     
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  19. Yacob

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    Arum is scared to death of Haney

    So yeah
     
  20. Kovalev's "Man Bag"

    Kovalev's "Man Bag" I don't do titles

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    It's complicated with Usyk. For several years it was Bashir until Usyk split with him, then it was Vatamanyuk (despite Usyk claiming at one point that he had no head trainer and Vatamanyuk wasn't really his coach), Anatoly Lomachenko (after the split with Vatamanyuk he trained him for the WBSS final against Gassiev & cornered him), and Usyk was last seen with Vatamanyuk once again. Meanwhile, Anber has been right there in the mix as an assistant coach and cornered him in title fights.

    As for his amateur career, Usyk credits Anatoly Lomachenko for taking him under his wing and guiding him to world & Olympic titles after he failed to even medal in his first Olympic appearance in 2008. It wasn't long after Usyk joined the national team that Anatoly became his mentor. Sosnovsky (then-head coach of the national team) played his role too but he's not mentioned as much or held in the same regard for molding him into the success that he became after his failed initial Olympic title bid.
     
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