Is "life coaching" bs?

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Every so often I see an ad for one of these people and it sounds like they want to be a psychologist but don't want to invest the time in actually studying it. I used to know someone from way back who decided she was going to be a life coach but in reality she was just fucking lazy and didn't want to work, not to mention she couldn't coach her own life, let alone someone else's.

So what's the deal? Is it legit?
 
It's like a crutch. There's nothing wrong with using one of you need it.

People who lack motivation, are lazy, whiny, that think the world owes then something, that sit around wondering why they're not getting what they want out of life... It can be very helpful to those people.
 
If someone follows you around like training wheels for life and then lets you go when you’ve got some momentum and habits that might work

But these people don’t do that

They just say like eat a salad not a burger and get to the gym then call me after

It’s like fuck you bud I’m not calling you
 
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Yeah much like psychiatry you don’t know with what types of quacks your dealing with. Friends fiancé is a court appointed shrink and well she’s had hallucinations and tried to choke him through the shower curtain on vacation, I’ll just leave it at that.
 
I have know a few women that wanted to be life coaches, mostly because they don't like their current careers. Both were not very successful and did not have their own lives where they should be. In my mind I was like "why would anyone pay you to do that when you don't really seem to have your own shit together?" Instead I asked them "who is going to pay you to do that and how are you going to find these people?" Neither had an answer for me.

I don't think they had thought it through much.
 
It varies on a case by case basis. Some of them teach solid lessons, some are bullshit artists. Personally in the realm of self-help I love Jordan Peterson's work because he's an academic of psychology with a lifetime of clinical practice who has researched and studied psychology endlessly. Approaching self-help from a real world psychological perspective instead of bullshit hype and motivation is a world of difference.
 
It's bullshit. Most of them are washed out psychologists trying to salvage a career. Most have essentially no training or credentials because it is not regulated the way that therapists and psychologists are. The training programs to become a life coach are 2 day courses. Two days and you don't even actually have to do that... no licensing is required, anyone can put up a sign or website and start calling themselves life coaches.

#1 question... what are they doing that's so great in their life to justify you listening to their bullshit?
 
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I must be really old, I remember when Life Coaching used to just be called parenting.
 
Yeah much like psychiatry you don’t know with what types of quacks your dealing with. Friends fiancé is a court appointed shrink and well she’s had hallucinations and tried to choke him through the shower curtain on vacation, I’ll just leave it at that.
It's bullshit. Most of them are washed out psychologists trying to salvage a career. Most have essentially no training or credentials because it is not regulated the way that therapists and psychologists are. The training programs to become a life coach are 2 day courses. Two days and you don't even actually have to do that... no licensing is required, anyone can put up a sign or website and start calling themselves life coaches.

#1 question... what are they doing that's so great in their life to justify you listening to their bullshit?
TWO DAYS?!?

dafuq
 
It's bullshit. Most of them are washed out psychologists trying to salvage a career. Most have essentially no training or credentials because it is not regulated the way that therapists and psychologists are. The training programs to become a life coach are 2 day courses. Two days and you don't even actually have to do that... no licensing is required, anyone can put up a sign or website and start calling themselves life coaches.

#1 question... what are they doing that's so great in their life to justify you listening to their bullshit?

I'm sure some are OK. But to me they are just like your "friend" who tells you common sense shit like "exercise.....meditation....take time to enjoy small things.....try to have less stress....etc.". I'm sure real counselors or pyscologists hate them b/c these "life coaches" have no formal degrees.

It's like me just saying I'm a "personal trainer" b/c I read some books. Or pretend I'm a professional without actually having a real degree.
 
It varies on a case by case basis. Some of them teach solid lessons, some are bullshit artists. Personally in the realm of self-help I love Jordan Peterson's work because he's an academic of psychology with a lifetime of clinical practice who has researched and studied psychology endlessly. Approaching self-help from a real world psychological perspective instead of bullshit hype and motivation is a world of difference.

Jordan Peterson is great...

 
There has been studies on this, being paired up with some kind of helping figure yields measurable outcomes, even if the person has no psychology training. Even religious mentors yield positive outcomes.

I think attachment, from attachment theory, explains part of this. When people are paired up with a helping figure, they may come to develop more positive mental representations of others. E.g. you have a good relationship with your coach, so your brain understands that this type of positive relationship is possible with other people. But this is mostly relevant for people who had an insecure attachment or had interpersonal problems. The other aspect of it is that two heads are better than one. People become entrenched in patterns of thinking and being, and without someone to provide correction or to show a different way of being, that person may not be fully conscious of what they're doing or aware they could be doing things differently. And I think people need an "expert" to tell them this. If your wife or a family member tells you off about a bad habit of yours, you're probably not going to listen. But a stranger, who you view as a expert in their field, tells you what you're doing is wrong - you're going to listen.
 
#1 question... what are they doing that's so great in their life to justify you listening to their bullshit?

I don't really know anything about life coaching, but I've worked with professional coaching, and if it's at all similar this really isn't the question you should be asking at all. Coaching is about helping people identify and challenge their assumptions and generate new ideas, mostly though asking questions. It's explicitly not about giving advice, and sometimes coaches who have technical knowledge are ineffective because coachee's expect them to offer solutions. There's a reason so many top executives have professional coaches, and those professional coaches are not generally trained in business.

So really, you should be looking at what training they have and what results they've got for other people. I would guess the majority of life coaching is bullshit, but if it follows the same basic principles and practices as executive coaching, there's no reason a well-trained coach shouldn't be helpful.
 
depends how badly you fucked up your life, and how open to the suggestions of complete strangers you are.
 
There has been studies on this, being paired up with some kind of helping figure yields measurable outcomes, even if the person has no psychology training. Even religious mentors yield positive outcomes.

I think attachment, from attachment theory, explains part of this. When people are paired up with a helping figure, they may come to develop more positive mental representations of others. E.g. you have a good relationship with your coach, so your brain understands that this type of positive relationship is possible with other people. But this is mostly relevant for people who had an insecure attachment or had interpersonal problems. The other aspect of it is that two heads are better than one. People become entrenched in patterns of thinking and being, and without someone to provide correction or to show a different way of being, that person may not be fully conscious of what they're doing or aware they could be doing things differently. And I think people need an "expert" to tell them this. If your wife or a family member tells you off about a bad habit of yours, you're probably not going to listen. But a stranger, who you view as a expert in their field, tells you what you're doing is wrong - you're going to listen.
So it's kind of a placebo effect.

That settles it - I'm going to be the official Sherdog life coach. Let me go to training

Ok I'm back
 
I don't really know anything about life coaching, but I've worked with professional coaching, and if it's at all similar this really isn't the question you should be asking at all. Coaching is about helping people identify and challenge their assumptions and generate new ideas, mostly though asking questions. It's explicitly not about giving advice, and sometimes coaches who have technical knowledge are ineffective because coachee's expect them to offer solutions. There's a reason so many top executives have professional coaches, and those professional coaches are not generally trained in business.

So really, you should be looking at what training they have and what results they've got for other people. I would guess the majority of life coaching is bullshit, but if it follows the same basic principles and practices as executive coaching, there's no reason a well-trained coach shouldn't be helpful.
How are you supposed to evaluate their results? There's no professional oversight and if you ask them they're aren't likely to tell you anything other than success stories
 
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