Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by alex21cms, Nov 19, 2020.
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I've wondered why wanna be fighters don't just learn boxing first. Learning head movement and other basics. And then learn kicking later on.
Rather than just throw one/twos and leg kicks with no head movement like some do.
Something about 100-15 records suggests the competition isn't that high level
I think most martial arts can be effective.. I think the bigger thing is the quality of the school...Not all Black Belts are created equally and the same goes for schools.
What a lot of striking purists dont want to admit is that MMA striking is a completely different skill than boxing, kickboxing, or thai boxing.
The small gloves and takedowns completely change the game. One big example is that you really can't rely on blocking anything, its all about movement in MMA. Look at TJ Dillashaw, Cruz, or Machida.. none of those styles would compete in a boxing match, but they would likely light up most in an MMA fight
Somebody needs to get this message to Isreal Adesanya ASAP
Kickboxing experience is overrated, not he art itself.
the style isn't overrated but the pay is low so people leave if they can so the competition isn't great. A guy like Vitali klitschko could have probably been great at kickboxing but crossed over to boxing for the money.
Few examples...then posts the same thing over and over again lol...
Kickboxing is just as valid as any other striking style , it comes down to the practitioner to apply correctly for MMA and there own fighting style
Pro kickboxing is overated in mma. Now don't get me wrong, having a kickboxing background and a high level one is very beneficial in mma. However, I say it's overated because fans automatically assume that a fighter having a pro kickboxing background makes them some elite striking machine. It's not the case, pro kickboxing and mma striking are pretty much the same level. We've seen numerous fighters with high level kickboxing backgrounds get KO'd by much lesser opponents.
The effective application of kickboxing comes when fighters that have he background can apply it and alter it to MMA. Izzy is the best recent example. He developed his mma striking game using his base.
This entire perception comes from the early days of MMA when K1 was around. K1 was a pretty big promotion during the time Pride and UFC were developing and most assumed that K1 guys would just kill it in MMA. Not the case.
Kickboxing in it's own field is high level, if MMA guys went over to their side very few would have success. But kickboxing coming to mma is overated.
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Head movement when kicking is involved
Boxing looks very bad at super heavy weight level too
Kickboxing is a super fragmented sport with very limited popularity.
little money=little talent.
In contrast MMA is highly more organized and offers far more money.
Therefore, the quality of participants is vastly superior and since kickboxing is a part of MMA you end up with a ton of high level kickboxers who committed themselves to MMA without going through the kickboxing circuit first.
Plenty of MMA fighters would be very successful if they committed to competing in kickboxing and we already have notable examples of this happening.
Head movement doesn't mean as much in a fight if you're getting kicked in the body and legs.
You're better off learnings boxing footwork which teaches you how to move in and out in a fight.
MMA striking is way different. Jairzinho actually countered very well ngannou and did the right defensive adjustements but ngannou´s physycality is just out of this world and can swing for the fences not giving any shit.
Some kickboxers have made the transition decently but others have done horrendously in MMA. I think a Karate kickboxing background is actually better than regular kickboxing for transitioning to MMA, mainly because of the small gloves. Pereira would probably get strached in MMA meanwhile Izzy is champ.
Izzy and wonderboy both have good movement and don't rely on using a guard like most kickboxers. Kickboxers tend to keep a tight guard and try to smash their opponent, the guard isn't that effective with little MMA gloves.
MMA is overrated. There's always kickboxing rejects that become top MMA or UFC champs but never MMA guys that become top kickboxers/muay thai champs.
That is what makes mma exciting. Combining all those little parts.
If average fighter would compete against world champion kickboxer in mma, shooting a takedown and succeding, would be win or die situation.
You do realize that we can just as easily post pictures of wrestlers getting taken down and BJJ players getting submitted, right?
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