Is it time to address (repeated) front kicks to the knees??

[in the liver]

Doesn't want to discuss, wants to change. Wrong place for change.

pathetic

the entire point of it is discussion, please dont disgrace yourself with further displays of weakness

 

[Crazedpyro]

Just shut the fuck up already, how is it any different than punching someone in the head? It can certainly injure them and they didn't ask for it.

 

[Clippy]

I get that we can't prevent everything or you don't have a sport anymore but this is something I hate and think it's wrong

I dunno, it's iffy

But when it gets to the point where fighters are intentionally trying to destroy other fighter's careers with excessive knee kicks I think something needs to be done.

Maybe only 3 knee kicks per fight, use em wisely!!

 

[$uicideboy$]

Is it time to address (repeated) punches to the head??

 

[Ramon Antonio]

Just shut the fuck up already, how is it any different than punching someone in the head? It can certainly injure them and they didn't ask for it.

Well how is it any different from kicking / kneeing a downed opponent in the face? Funny that you can flying knee someone trying to single leg you in the face, but suddenly his finger touches the ground and it's the most dangerous thing ever that should be banned..

 

[Crazedpyro]

Well how is it any different from kicking / kneeing a downed opponent in the face? Funny that you can flying knee someone trying to single leg you in the face, but suddenly his finger touches the ground and it's the most dangerous thing ever that should be banned..

It isn't different from any other legal technique people use to fuck eachother up. Soccer kicks and knees to a downed opponent should be legal as well.

 

[Amerikuracana]

If you can't take a little side kick to the knee then why the hell are you a fighter for?!!. You have no business being punched in the head if you can't take a little kick on the knee LMAO.

It doesn't injure anyone and it doesn't hyper extend nothing. Its just a tool Jones does so they can't start throwing big wild punches at him and it keeps their distance. Its basically to stop exchanges, and to control the distance.

Knee-caps are easily displaced, and never fully recover, this effects guys whole careers; because a fighter wants to discourage guys getting into actual striking range with him? No. To high a PERMANENT damage to benefit ratio.

 

[Ramon Antonio]

What point are you attempting to make?

It was a counter to the claim 'I have never seen anyone injured by kicks to the knee, so they should be allowed'. If that logic is applied, we should allow kicks and knees to a downed opponent also. I don't remember anyone in Pride or MMA history being permanently injured because of those.

Basically there are no clear criteria to decide when a technique is considered 'too dangerous' for MMA. It's basically a bunch of arbitrary rules that people some time ago decided on. We should critically re-evaluate these decisions and question them, and try to apply a more logical and on the whole consistent rule set, to improve the sport of MMA.

 

[Wrapup]

Knee-caps are easily displaced, and never fully recover, this effects guys whole careers; because a fighter wants to discourage guys getting into actual striking range with him? No. To high a PERMANENT damage to benefit ratio.

If knee caps are easily displaced with teep kicks, who have you seen it happen to? Who have you seen permanently damaged? These have been allowed throughout the history of MMA so surely you can rattle off a dozen examples?

 

[Amerikuracana]

Just shut the fuck up already, how is it any different than punching someone in the head? It can certainly injure them and they didn't ask for it.

#1. The risk of immediate permanent damage

#2. The lack of value to the viewing audience.. ie THE REASON THEY ARE THERE FIGHTING

#3. The overall spirit of the technique.. Trying to avoid more effective striking exchanges in an almost fearful way. It looks like crap.

 

[$uicideboy$]

np, fucking awesome highlight amazing KO

disgusting, dirty technique should be banned fedor is such a dirty fighter

 

[phoenixikki]

Agrade 100%
And nobody use these dirty kicks in Kickboxing or Muay Thai

 

[613]

I'm pretty sure he injured Rampage with them. I have no problem with guys using those kicks whilst they are legal but I don't think they should be.

And Faber still has leg problems from being kicked by Aldo. Want to ban leg kicks too?

 

[Amerikuracana]

If knee caps are easily displaced with teep kicks, who have you seen it happen to? Who have you seen permanently damaged? These have been allowed throughout the history of MMA so surely you can rattle off a dozen examples?

Guys haven't been spamming them until recently. I kind of think it was almost unwritten respect? You just don't do it for obvious reasons?

 

[Wrapup]

It was a counter to the claim 'I have never seen anyone injured by kicks to the knee, so they should be allowed'. If that logic is applied, we should allow kicks and knees to a downed opponent also. I don't remember anyone in Pride or MMA history being permanently injured because of those.

Basically there are no clear criteria to decide when a technique is considered 'too dangerous' for MMA. It's basically a bunch of arbitrary rules that people some time ago decided on. We should critically re-evaluate these decisions and question them, and try to apply a more logical and on the whole consistent rule set, to improve the sport of MMA.

Again, soccer kicks and knees are allowed to downed opponents - just not to their head. The rule was an attempt to limit long term brain damage. You can argue whether that rule should be there or not, but it certainly has no effect on the legality of teep kicks - which have not caused any issues and do not risk brain damage.

 

[Dragon Punch]

And Faber still has leg problems from being kicked by Aldo. Want to ban leg kicks too?

Does he really?

 

[613]

When i was doing Karate many moons ago it was not permitted to use knee kicks in sparring because of the obvious danger. I agree they should be banned. Only desperate people or sissy's use them.

Fedor, Condit, Holm, Struve, Conor, Anderson and Jones are desperate people or sissy's?

 

[Wrapup]

Guys haven't been spamming them until recently. I kind of think it was almost unwritten respect? You just don't do it for obvious reasons?

Teep kicks have been used throughout the history of MMA and are used constantly in Muay Thai. There no unwritten rule - it's an accepted practice that some folks need to learn how to defend.

 

[613]

Does he really?

Thats what he said last year

 

[Ramon Antonio]

Again, soccer kicks and knees are allowed to downed opponents - just not to their head. The rule was an attempt to limit long term brain damage. You can argue whether that rule should be there or not, but it certainly has no effect on the legality of teep kicks - which have not caused any issues and do not risk brain damage.

When I say kicks/knee to a downed opponent are illegal, I suppose that everyone understands that I'm talking about hits to the head. Just like you typed 'the legality of teep kicks', while we are discussing 'teep kicks to the knee', but I still understand what you mean. So that's not really an argument.

The second argument is also weird. What is your evidence that kicks/knee's to the head of a downed opponent cause significantly more head trauma than the same techniques vs. a standing opponent? There is even conclusive evidence that getting punched in the head in general causes brain damage, so why let braindamage be a factor at all? Basically there is NO real argument at all for not allowing those techniques.

I also don't think teep kicks to the knee are being used that much yet to conclusively state that they don't cause permanent knee damage. We have at least one fighter complaining about it. I think there is more evidence for kicks/knees to the head of a downed opponent not being considerably more likely to cause brain damage than there is evidence for teep kicks to the knee being safe.