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Is it the juice or the age?

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  1. Has23 Orange Belt

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    What I mean by this question is do you guys think Jones slowed down because he’s off the juice or you think age is catching up too him (he’s young @32). Personally I thought he lost against both Reyes and Santos and remember Santos blew his acl during the fight and still kept it close.
     
  2. accolyte1022 LONER Belt

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    He's just overrated.
     
  3. Willmunny Banned Banned

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    Unmotivated and underestimating bums. Wait until his next fight and he will show a world class performance, ending Reyes in the 1st by KO.
     
  4. Rek Rekington It ain't easy being greasy. Banned

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    Size advantage and juice has carried Jones his entire career. He's only 32 and has taken barely any damage, it's not age.
     
  5. Intellidamus Title Belt

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    According to some of the basement dwellers on here steroids don’t make a difference. It’s just something you inject into your body for the hell of it. So must be his age. He is on erectile dysfunction medication after all.
     
  6. SpoonDogg Green Belt

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    Competition. Reyes is legit.
     
  7. lweiberg Brown Belt

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    He's looking slower, for sure, but he still has all he needs to keep winning at LHW.
     
  8. Rock3091 Feeding carrots to busses since the 80’s.

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    Here is my conspiracy theory, Jon is sandbagging so Izzy thinks he had a chance and the betting odds become more even between them. Then he bets the house shreds Izzy and goes off into the cocaine sunset.

    Or he sucks now.
     
  9. Congo66 Silver Belt

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    According to some idiots on here they're auto win injections.

    If you look at any quantifiable sport they clearly make a difference but it's a very small percentage in terms of overall performance. I you're running 100m the 1% is enough to win, if you're cycling for 6 hours then a small % gain is a large time bonus.
    That's not really the case in a fight as there are far more variables involved and you can't train your chin. A clean Jones shouldn't mean he can't take Reyes down at will, its not roids that contribute to his wrestling technique.
     
  10. Intellidamus Title Belt

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    Yeah I get that, and agree. But at the highest levels it only takes the slightest advantage to be a difference maker. You’ve seen all of these super close fights and don’t feel that small percentage could be the difference between winning and losing? There’s a reason athletes risk so much to take them.
     
  11. ThunderStruck Silver Belt

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    Of course thats the lack opf juice. MAkes everyone a completely different fighter.
     
  12. ostlerrage Banned Banned

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    Obvious lack juice. See ubereem transform to overeem as a reference.
     
  13. Congo66 Silver Belt

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    I bet if you did strength, power, aerobic and pretty much any physical tests you like on Conor and Cowboy that Cowboy wins all of them but that's not how the fight turned out. So being physically superior (whether you get there clean or not) doesn't necessarily translate to a win. If an inferior athlete lands clean on your chin it's all over. So just because a fighter is roided to the nuts and has physical advantages in MMA it doesn't mean they'll win. There are loads of fighters who've popped after losing against to fighters who were clean (or more specifically didn't fail a test). It's not like all the TRT guys lost every fight after stopping or won every fight when they were on it.

    With Jones it's as much (if not more) motivation, people game planning for him as there's so much footage of him, the wear and tear his on his body from 10 years of being at the top as much as it is from the roids. Of course we'll never really know as you don't know how a clean Jones would have performed throughout his carer but his size and technique are significant advantages for him at LHW. He might 'only' be 32 but he's had 10 fights that have gone into the 4th round and 8 of them have gone the full 25 minutes. He's spent a lot longer in the cage than older fighters with more fights and he's been doing it for 12+ years now.
     
  14. ChiTownBuckeye Yellow Belt

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    On the wrong side of 30 and out of his physical prime + lots of fight mileage.
     
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    Unlike Jones, Cowboy has more mileage on his chin. It couldn't have anything to do with being 36 years old, 50 fights on his record, and being KOd or TKOd in 7 of his last 11 fights.
    Great example you chose.
     
  16. Intellidamus Title Belt

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    I get all that. Steroid usage isn’t a guaranteed win. But couple steroids with talent, physical abilities, work ethic, skill set and a will to win and they will make that fighter even better. They can be a difference maker. There’s no way around it.
     
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    i took Steroids for 30 years but im still fat and unathletic

    Steroids dont work
     
  18. C0NCH3TO Gold Belt

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    He is young in age but old in mileage. Dude’s been fighting for more than a decade.
     
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    Retard found.
     
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    There's an OJ Simpson joke in there somewhere. But I'm too lazy to find it.

     

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