Is it possible to drop weight and get stronger?

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  1. Graciebarra 847

    Graciebarra 847 Blue Belt

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    I am a guy that lifts heavy and pretty much eats whatever he feels like it! I am 5"10 and 195 pounds! My frame is muscle mixed in with fat! My question is I would like to get a six pack and I think in order for me to have one I will have to drop down to 170 pounds! Is it possible to get stronger when your cutting weight and calories?

    I have ate healthy in the past and cut some of my calorie intake for 1 month a few times and was never able to stick to my diet because my strength went down greatly and I hated that!

    Once again my question is can you cut weight and get stronger?
     
  2. Keosawa

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    Sure it's possible. It's just not likely.
     
  3. Black Gi

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    Why would you want to be getting stronger?

    Your objective would need to be one or the other.

    To get the six pack you would be looking at modifying your diet and doing more cardio.

    You will be lighter, leaner and fitter.

    This may not equate to being stronger, but it will equate to being fitter.
     
  4. VoodooPlata

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    In your head, before making the thread, did you believe that this was an incredibly original question that almost nobody has wondered about? Because if you think about it, this is a question that most anybody who trains would like an answer to. As such, it might even be asked frequently, making it a frequently asked question.
     
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    I'm going to take the risk of trying to answer that question, even though I am a noob.

    I think the answer is that doing that is very hard, and if you make strength gains they will be small. What I have absorbed from this site and other strength training resources is that gaining strengthing requires

    1) Eating a hell of alot, especially but not only protein
    2) Giving yourself the time to recover from having lifted really heavy things (I think it is a Rippletoe quote 'Lifting heavy things doesn't make you strong- recovering from lifting heavy things makes you strong')

    If you go on a fat reduction/weight programme you won't be able to do either of those things- you'll be controlling what you eat and loads of the time you should be letting your body recover, you will be on a treadmill or doing burpees or something like that.

    So, anyway, that is what I understand, from my noob perspective.
     
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    If only there were some thread in which all similar questions were collated, and some measures had been taken to ensure that that thread was always accessible.
     
  7. mmafreedom

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    In your case I don't think so. Absolute beginners can find gains in strength due to the CNS capacity increasing rather then the muscle itself, but for long time lifters I don't think this is the case.
     
  8. NinjaBlack

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    Do you want a 6 pack? or do you want to get stronger? I have a feeling it will take some major discipline to achieve what you want. Most likely won't happen. Check out the FAQ here, and also check out the Supplements and Diet FAQ.
     
  9. CosmicOsmo

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    Honestly? It's not very fucking likely. Maaaaybe if you were a complete beginner.

    You'd be better off just trying to minimize strength loss while dieting. With 25lbs to lose, that's going to be difficult.

    I've tried a lot of diets as I like to cut down once a year to keep my bodyfat in check, and by far the best I've found as far as maintaining strength while losing fat is Lyle McDonald's "Ultimate Diet 2.0". While I was on it and doing everything correctly, I was able to lose ~12lbs while very nearly maintaining my strength...losses were minimal. However, it's a VERY hard program to stay on. I consider myself to be very disciplined and I have to admit it beat me, I slipped up hard before I reached my goal. That cost me some strength and some weight. However, if you can stick to it, it works as advertised.
     
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    If only. I shall propose to the mods that if such a thread should ever be created, they will utilize their interwebologic invocations to make it stick to the first page of the forum - as if somehow sticky.
     
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    What are your numbers? How long've you been lifting? If you're happy with your current strength just keep lifting the same numbers and slowly cut back on carbs. You might lose some strength but it'll be fine.

    Heaps of cut motherfuckers can lift heavy enough.
     
  12. JauntyAngle

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    I cannot imagine the type of nefarious combination of high technology and low, hidden magicks that could make such a thing possible.
     
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    Also, if you lose weight but maintain you current strength levels you will be stronger pound for pound than you were before.
     
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    Hey,new member here been following these forums and MMA for a while and decided to register Would love to discuss MMA here with you guys
     
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    Unless you actually think Fedor is the best, you've come to the wrong place....
     
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    Great! This is where we discuss Strength & conditioning!
     
  17. Graciebarra 847

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    My numbers as of right now are Bench press 260 pounds for 3 reps!
    Shoulder press 175 for 5 reps!
    Pull downs I pull the whole stack down which I believe is 250 pounds or 300 pounds for 5 reps.

    I don't do pullups
    I don't do squats or deadlifts. Part of the reason is because I am sore from brazilian jiu-jitsu alot and part of the reason is because I am lazy. lol


    My main reason for cutting would be to get in shape for bjj tournaments. I have competed twice and got down to 179 pounds and still didn't see my abs! I think I need to get down to 169 pounds to see my abs.

    In bjj touraments if I come in at my walking weight than many of the guys are 6"3 and my frame is too small for competing with those guys! Think of Ken shamrock fighting Tito Ortiz.

    Not to get off topic here but it kind of sucks because I am 5"10 and if I want a 6 pack I would have to get down to 165 pounds because my frame isn't big I would say. Many girls who are 5"5 with an ass and tits weigh 140 pounds. I remember when I got down to 179 pounds I was banging this girl in my tub and while I was banging her I was looking in the mirror and my legs at that point got really skinny! Her legs were actually bigger than mine and she was 5"6 about 135-140.

    Also I think the best guys for cutting are guys that walk around 6"5 260 pounds because even if you cut your still a big guy! Were if your a small guy and if you cut you look like a toothpick!
     
  18. TMMAray

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    Then your numbers don't matter to anyone here.
     
  19. VoodooPlata

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    The cold, harsh truth. I also thought "i'm lazy, lol" made this thread a lot less worthwhile.
     
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