Is it ok to punch with the fist vertical?

Discussion in 'Standup Technique' started by XDJoeXD, May 22, 2008.

  1. XDJoeXD

    XDJoeXD White Belt

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2007
    Messages:
    140
    Likes Received:
    0
    It was Stand up class yesterday and i was flaring my punches out like every else does at the gym and my coach tried to get me to punch with a vertical fist again. Is to ok to do that?
     
  2. Jalukas

    Jalukas White Belt

    Joined:
    May 18, 2008
    Messages:
    25
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    High Point, NC
    I guess technically yeah just as long as the actual impact is on the first two knuckles. The twist at the end delivers more power though.
     
  3. dickfloss

    dickfloss Yellow Belt

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2003
    Messages:
    159
    Likes Received:
    0
    no, you must be punished

    but nah, there's no strict conventions on small things like that.
     
  4. redefined

    redefined White Belt

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2008
    Messages:
    72
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Jersey City, NJ
    I don't know, but I just tried to throw a few like that and it felt weird...
     
  5. jliu6190

    jliu6190 Yellow Belt

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2008
    Messages:
    159
    Likes Received:
    0
    well, i know isshinryu style karate has a vertical fist punch (i used to do it), and it worked fine for me. i guess it'll feel funny if you don't do it normally...
     
  6. Rflow

    Rflow Blue Belt

    Joined:
    May 11, 2008
    Messages:
    534
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    corpus christi texas
    my coach told me to do that too but idk it feels awkward
     
  7. ambertch

    ambertch Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2007
    Messages:
    2,331
    Likes Received:
    7
    Sometimes boxers will throw vertical punches when there's a space between their opponent's guard where horizontally the glove's too wide but vertically it might slip through and land

    I mean there's no rules man - whatever works for ya.
     
  8. M o A

    M o A Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2008
    Messages:
    6,149
    Likes Received:
    18
    Location:
    On my throne.
    Im guessing not, just as long as your hip, shoulder and leg movement are good.
     
  9. millasur

    millasur Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2008
    Messages:
    946
    Likes Received:
    3
    Location:
    South London, UK
    I think how you learnt / what's comfortable is most important as long as the mechanics are correct.. I hook to the body with a vertical fist but hook to the head with horizontal.. Assume many peopel do it differently ?
     
  10. WintersMMA

    WintersMMA Guest

    The only time my hand is verticle on impact is when I throw a body shot and sometimes hooks.

    jabs or straight punches would seem real awkward and seem not to have as much pop if done vertical
     
  11. Azy

    Azy Yellow Belt

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2007
    Messages:
    170
    Likes Received:
    1
    Yes it is fine. it is a large part of many styles of Kung Fu and you should be using the lower 3 knuckles for the strike. Classic straight punch.
     
  12. WintersMMA

    WintersMMA Guest

    i can't see how punching with the lower three knuckles would be more affective than the upper or frst two
     
  13. Azy

    Azy Yellow Belt

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2007
    Messages:
    170
    Likes Received:
    1
    The upper two are good for accuracy such as striking pressure points or during a hook. I was never a fan of the lower 3 until i started to do it. It is the strongest face you can present and the force is more evenly distributed along the arm. Keep punching with the top two and they will break. I know I have done it. Both have thier place but in this particular circumstance as a vertical fisted punch the lower 3 are the best to use.
     
  14. millasur

    millasur Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2008
    Messages:
    946
    Likes Received:
    3
    Location:
    South London, UK
    But in real life when the person/thing you're trying to strike is moving and bobbing to avoid you, connecting only with certain knuckles is almost impossible anyways. :icon_neut
     
  15. Azy

    Azy Yellow Belt

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2007
    Messages:
    170
    Likes Received:
    1
    I can see your point about a moving opponent but it is in the style of the punch too. You are either consciencly using the top two or bottom 3 while lining up and judging the punch. For the vertical punch it is the strongest in both punch and the line all the way up the arm. Hundreds of years of Gung Fu cannot have gotten it too wrong.
     
  16. millasur

    millasur Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2008
    Messages:
    946
    Likes Received:
    3
    Location:
    South London, UK
    how is the style of the punch different? BTW im not tryina piss on u but I have never trained a more traditional martial art, but i am interestd im not jus hating. I mean when you fight someone who moves well hitting them with any part of your fist is often hard enough lol.
     
  17. Azy

    Azy Yellow Belt

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2007
    Messages:
    170
    Likes Received:
    1
    That is where speed and accuracy and a truck load of practice come in. The punch is generally best for the stermum type punch. As for the style of punch it depends on whether you are looping it first to put them off and have to make corrections at the last moment. It is a mental choice that can be changed at any minute. The top two are slightly easy for snap punches and the bottom three tend to be better for the pumelling type punch. And yes someone who is good at evasion will anoy the hell out of you if you have a specific thing in mind for them. Let me know if you are still confused.
     
  18. WintersMMA

    WintersMMA Guest

    azy answered for me :icon_chee better than i could have explained it
     
  19. millasur

    millasur Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2008
    Messages:
    946
    Likes Received:
    3
    Location:
    South London, UK
    Yeah I can understand it for a sternum type punch, or visualise. lol. I train with gloves on, hence the whole idea of using specific knuckles being very foreign to me. :)
     
  20. KOnah

    KOnah Red Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2007
    Messages:
    7,960
    Likes Received:
    2
    Location:
    Wabash&Lake
    Hold your arm out straight, hold your fist vertical, note how it feels, hold it horizontal, note how it feels. Then just let your hand and wrist relax and re-make your fist, where is it? Vertical or horizontal? I think you'll find its closer to ~45degrees. The most natural, comfortable and strongest angle for your fist.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.