Is it harder to be an elite boxer than elite mma fighter

Nah, when these guys that had seriously grappled in teenage years took up striking and later will get decent MMA gym with head coach, striking and grappling trainers & S/C trainer + advisors, God help….
Not easier than boxing.

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I admit that boxing is more complicated due to unforgiving fanbase.
They can't forgive single loss.
 
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Boxer you just can't train four years and make it to the top in boxing nobody has done it.
In grappling too.
Sorry, maybe if they aren't well known in US so must be bums, but these amateurs ( " amateurs " ) grapplers that are at high level in europe and are 18 y.o usually does have more than 5 years serious training under belt. Usually 8 - 10 years.

It is very hard to get any medal in grappling arts at Continental level, even bronze it is real hell.
 
In grappling too.
Sorry, maybe if they aren't well known in US so must be bums, but these amateurs ( " amateurs " ) grapplers that are at high level in europe and are 18 y.o usually does have more than 5 years serious training under belt. Usually 8 - 10 years.

It is very hard to get any medal in grappling arts at Continental level, even bronze it is real hell.
Bj Penn won with 3 years of training.
 
Nice, link about him here.
Maybe really surprisingly highly talented guy. Might happen.
 
OK.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B.J._Penn

Appears that he is mainly high level BJJ specialist, Godan in BJJ.
# They usually learn BJJ 7 - 15 years till get 1 st degree BB but this gentleman does have 5 th degree BB in BJJ, so I assume that he had trained and competed > 20 years.

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I looked yes, that he had medal in blue belt division too, there yes, blue belt to get after 3 years training is pretty normal and casual.
Still looks that he is highly talented with these achievments.
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I more compared with these olympic sports, where age groups and weight classes exists not belt divisions.
 
OK.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B.J._Penn

Appears that he is mainly high level BJJ specialist, Godan in BJJ.
# They usually learn BJJ 7 - 15 years till get 1 st degree BB but this gentleman does have 5 th degree BB in BJJ, so I assume that he had trained and competed > 20 years.

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I looked yes, that he had medal in blue belt division too, there yes, blue belt to get after 3 years training is pretty normal and casual.
Still looks that he is highly talented with these achievments.
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I more compared with these olympic sports, where age groups and weight classes exists not belt divisions.
BJ Penn is arguably the most naturally talented fighter in MMA history. He was known for being rather lazy with his work ethic despite all of his success. He made history in BJJ by becoming the first American world champion before he made his history in MMA. His nickname is The Prodigy which is a good hint to how talented he was in his prime. He's not a good measuring stick to use in this debate because his career was anything but typical. He was special.
 
He made history in BJJ by becoming the first American world champion before he made his history in MMA. His nickname is The Prodigy which is a good hint to how talented he was in his prime. He's not a good measuring stick to use in this debate because his career was anything but typical. He was special.

Thank you for clarification, Sir.
I looked: BJJ.
2000. World. Gold. Black belt division.
1999. World. Bronze. Brown belt division.
1998. World. Silver. Blue belt division.
Really impressive world level achievments.
 
It’s harder to find an elite boxer bc it’s one skill set or one set of rules with fighters volleying to be the best at that skill set of limited rules .

Many can be taught to be a an Elite MMA fighter if they have a dominant skill set bc multiple ones are allowed.
 
I don't know who the last guy is.
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Skelton fought Chagaev in 2008 for the WBA heavyweight title, and then went on to fight a ton of other heavyweight contenders, including Anthony Joshua and Kubrat Pulev.

Before becoming a boxer, he was a kickboxer, and got finished in under 2 minutes in his only MMA fight.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Skelton

Literally the definition of a guy who couldn't hack it in MMA, took up boxing, and became one of the best in the world.
 
hmmm tough question. i’d say it’s about the same. it’s easier to get a consensus world ranking in MMA but just like every combat sport, the pretenders get exposed.
 
None are elite or even close to it.
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Skelton fought Chagaev in 2008 for the WBA heavyweight title, and then went on to fight a ton of other heavyweight contenders, including Anthony Joshua and Kubrat Pulev.

Before becoming a boxer, he was a kickboxer, and got finished in under 2 minutes in his only MMA fight.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Skelton

Literally the definition of a guy who couldn't hack it in MMA, took up boxing, and became one of the best in the world.
Matt Skeleton was never one of the best in the world.

Dillian Whyte won his only MMA match by KO in 12 seconds
 
it’s easier to get a consensus world ranking in MMA but just like every combat sport, the pretenders get exposed.
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MMA rankings like boxing rankings are just entrtainment! business orgs rankings.
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This isn't like for example Olympic medals, World Championships medals etc.


Prizefigters nor rarely are former amateur superstars now out of prime, slower and older.
 
Take a motivated semi athletic guy in his 20s to an mma gym and there's a good chance he's an "elite" MMA fighter in a year or less. Not happening in boxing.
 
This is just dream.
Try to do like this: 1 year in elite club and for example decent local amateurs in former SU countries will wash floor with this dreamer. Yes, in low level local torunaments.
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Yes, because young MMA guys usually are with at least some training background from their teenage years. Now MMA more popular, they pick up MMA.
* There of course isn't UFC level, still they more dream to beat not are thinking about UFC.
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Imagine for example former HS wrestler and just BJJ prupple belt with 1 year training in MMA gym vs a dreamer with only 1 year training under belt. Yes, amateur, so must be a bum, mandatory.
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Due to MMA popularity and limited places in National teams, for example in Russia you might get an opponent that was for example freestyle wrestler ranked 8 th - 16 th in Russia with 2 years training in MMA gym.
And this ammy had wrestled since 10 years of age. Now he is just noname, for example 25 y.o ammy that gladly will rotate, choke out etc dreamers with 1 year training.
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An elite MMA athletes usually does have >10 years training under belt when they are >25 y.o
They aren't just some 1 Black belt, they are more than just a belt.
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Guys like Cejudo, Maia, Faber etc. ;)
 
In my opinion it’s much harder to reach the very pinnacle of boxing than it is MMA. Simply because it’s far more popular. As MMA grows and grows the gap will narrow
 
oh, make no mistake, i think MMA fighters are better athletes, due to the nature of their training.

Ill make a comparison thatll get me lots of shit from Sherdog - I also think Crossfitters, yes, Crossfitters, are better athletes than either olympic weightlifters or olympic distance runners. This is due to the nature of their training. The weightlifters have nearly eliminated their cardio and slow twitch muscle fiber, the Kenyans (yes, there are others) cant carry a bag of groceries for an old lady.

The reward for specializing is a small % payoff in comparison to the cost overall. You see a guy like Froning or Fraser get 400 overhead, and he is a high % of a world class weighlifter of the same weight. He can still run a 5k in 20minutes, which is a damned ways off a Kenyan, but itd win local running events, or place quite high, depending on who shows up. The Kenyan has trouble with the bar, and Pyros Dimas’ huge quads and hours of specialized training is gonna gas him out hard. Fraser is a better athlete. as is the decathlete, say Ashton Eaton, who wouldnt qualify for the Olys in any one of the ten events he spreads his training around.

But the thread question was, “which sport is harder to make it in?” there are countries with programs that are heavily funded and driven nehind those two other sports, and big rewards and acclaim for potential athletes. It is harder to make it in either sport, and in fact, one must be genetically made for it - whereas mma or crossfit allow a wider variety of bodytypes.

Crossfit pays shit, so it's mostly guys who didnt succeed somewhere else (although that is changing, i think) A guy who trained in his garage won four years ago. Its easier to make it, because less people are trying to win at it. You get more repeat champions in a sport like that. Decathlon is different because there are as many vying for that podium as there are in the other two olympic sports (i would guess)

Boxing pays more. If you are good at it, you would be crazy to not pursue it in favour of mma. so more people want that pie. If you cant make it and you have some wrestling, mma is a good backup.

side note - Dana White has put mma back. You cant own your own brand like a boxer, or mma fighter pre reebok deal, and the money just isnt there

unless you are a yappy cunt, which is why everyone is trying that angle. all the guy i ever trained with are like Fedor or Couture - softspoken, modest, good men. but people bend to the money, as would i.
So you are just low intelligence but it doesn’t hinder your ability to communicate or write?
 
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