Is it a myth that international UFC fighters "don't move the needle" ?

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As far as I'm concerned, I'd like the UFC to be a legitimate sport where skills and achievements dictate pay, matchup's and fighting for the titles. That being said, Dana will surely tell us when asked about releasing guys like Nikita Krylov and Kyoji Horiguchi that " they weren't elite fighters, they didn't move the needle " but clearly places elsewhere do value them and a lot more than the UFC does. Kyoji Horiguchi may not be popular in America, but I doubt Cody Garbrandt is popular in Japan either. How are MMA fan's okay with discriminating against foreign fighters on the grounds of business and embracing the preference towards North American, Latin American and Native English speaking fighters? You're going to neuter the very sport that you love with this ignorance.

Anyways, fighters like Mairbek Taisumov are believe it or not, very popular. He has nearly 225k Instagram Followers, he hangs out with the Chechen President Kadyrov, he's on national Television, people in Chechnya buy him 200,000 Dollar Cars. By all accounts he's more popular than most fighters in the UFC, but because the UFC shows no interest in signing major TV Deals in Russia, doesn't put on shows in Russia, and sticks to a PPV based product which is only purchased by American's, Mexican's and Canadian's...along with a focus on American based Television networks it's going to be impossible under these circumstances for foreign fighters to " move the needle ". It doesn't mean they don't have worth however.
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A fighter like Mairbek who's 28 years old, 5-1 in the UFC, 4 fight win streak all by knockouts is a lot more popular than you might think. He actually appeals to several demographics, the Middle Eastern and Islamic demographic, the Russian Demographic and the Kavkaz demographic. The UFC told him they'd get him a VISA and they've failed to do so for over a year now, when he asked about getting a fight on a Europe card Joe Silva said " there's no room on any of the cards " and that was 6 months ago, he hasn't been injured. If he were American he would not be treated like this and such treatment will lead to much of the non North American and Brazilian talent in the world signing to other promotions rather than the UFC.

The UFC is looking at things often from a short term gains perspective, just because they fail to target and connect with international fan bases doesn't mean fighters from those area's are worthless. The irony is, fighters from the Caucus got so popular without any support from the UFC, they'd be even bigger draws if they actually tried to connect to the Russia demographic, much more popular. Same goes for fighters in Japan like Kyoji, the UFC makes little to no effort to grow the sport in Japan, to sign top Japanese fighters, to promote Japanese fighters and they hardly put cards on in Japan, let alone good cards....

To me, this is the single most worrying thing going on in the UFC along with fighter pay and the Reebok fiasco and I hear little to no mention of it from fans ever. Whenever I try to bring it up I usually hear the " UFC is a business and fighter X doesn't sell ". They fail to see everything this entails though and they also fail to see how fighters like Kyoji Horiguchi, Khabib Nurmagomedov or fighters from elsewhere really could sell and be stars if only they'd restructure their business in some ways and have a more world wide vision.
These fighters deserve better.
 
The ufc pigeonholes most Asian and European fighters into their respective markets and otherwise shelves them with little interest in marketing them much at all. Pretty stupid, but being as they seemingly can barely market the easily marketable guys here in the US as it is, I can't say I blame them. Don't want to stretch an already overly burdened department of incompetents. ;D
 
Unfortunately we've now got an MMA culture where fighters have to act like heels to get anywhere.

Let's look at who's creating all the buzz right now.

Conor McGregor--Got the LW titleshot only because he "moves the needle"...which is because of running his mouth and being controversial.

Tyron Woodley--Nobody cared at all about him until he started spouting off all of the racism BS. Now everyone's talking about him.

Derrick Lewis--Now getting tons of attention for making crude remarks about Ronda Rousey. That's why you have very solid fighters that are getting ignored or getting a raw deal (Demian Maia, Horiguchi, etc.) because they're not "moving the needle" by being douche bags.

Basically the UFC, or more accurately MMA fans, have created an environment where it pays big dividends to be over the top and controversial.
 
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Unfortunately we've not got an MMA culture where fighters have to act like heels to get anywhere.

Do you mean that we do have a culture where fighters have to act like heals and WWE Wrestlers to get anywhere? Sorry your wording confused me.
 
Many of these foreign fighters need English lessons and proper media training...

That should be mandatory for ALL fighters -> especially ones with star potential.

They ain't buying PPV's in Asia and Russia - so these fighters need to be able to communicate with their target audience in North America - preferably without a translator.
 
At UFC 206 in Toronto there was an INSANE amount of Russians that showed up for Rustam Khabilov. I was sitting in front of a group of them and they were some of the loudest, most obnoxious, funniest, and nicest group of people Ive ever met. Absolute lunatics but they show up in droves. They kept making fun of the fat camera lady at the side of the Octagon because she was LITERALLY taking up a side of the cage trying to get the action. Good times.

So yeah I agree with you. There are alot of fans for these relatively "unkown" international fighters, especially the Eastern European/Caucasus fighters.
 
According to Steve Maxwell, the new owners have classified the UFC as entertainment rather than sport. He claims that, therefore, choreographing outcomes like in professional wrestling would not be illegal. Nobody would go to jail if fight "fixing" occurred. If this is true, then wouldn't "moving the needle" be expected to be their only real concern, rather than conducting themselves as if they were a genuine sport?

Does Maxwell have it wrong?

 
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Do you mean that we do have a culture where fighters have to act like heals and WWE Wrestlers to get anywhere? Sorry your wording confused me.
Yeah that was a typo. It should have been that we "now" have a culture...
 
Now that WME took over, it's all about brand recognition and Q Rating. It doesn't matter how popular fighters are with hardcores. It's who will the casuals recognize. It's unfortunate, but that's the new era.
 
I agree with you that the UFC only cares about fighters it can market to its core audiences, which is the North American market, and to a lesser extent the Latin American market.

But as for Mairbek, I'm goin to pput a lot of the blame on him. I listened to an interview he did recently, and he didn't have the drive of a Khabib Nurmagomedov to get things done. He's just sitting and waiting expecting things to fix themselves. I believe he was asked where he would like to fight next, and he said the US. Even with the Visa problems, and him being an EU citizen, rather than lobby to have a fight in Europe, which he could practically get done, he foolishly wants a fight in the US. When asked about Conor, he didn't have much to say besides the generic praise.

Guys like Khabib get things done, make demands, and give their honest opinions and it becomes hard to deny them. Guys like Mairbek sit on their ass, and I found that out only a few months ago because I'm normally a fan.
 
Many of these foreign fighters need English lessons and proper media training...

That should be mandatory for ALL fighters -> especially ones with star potential.

They ain't buying PPV's in Asia and Russia - so these fighters need to be able to communicate with their target audience in North America - preferably without a translator.

Fighter's should not have to be be coached on how to talk shit nor should they have to conform to a certain standard of someone else's culture to be paid what they deserve. Nor should they have to learn a second or often times third language later in life to a fluid enough extent to be deemed "marketable enough" because the PREMIER MMA Organization is the world shows no interest in any other market than the few countries they already have serious footholds in.

This is a ridiculous notion to accept. We should be rebelling against such nonsense. It's pretty much impossible under the current business structure for fighters from non key countries to be " stars " and entirely possible for them to be GREAT VALUE if only they restructured things in a more legitimate way.
 
I agree with you that the UFC only cares about fighters it can market to its core audiences, which is the North American market, and to a lesser extent the Latin American market.

But as for Mairbek, I'm goin to pput a lot of the blame on him. I listened to an interview he did recently, and he didn't have the drive of a Khabib Nurmagomedov to get things done. He's just sitting and waiting expecting things to fix themselves. I think he was asked where he would like to fight next, and he said the US. Even with the Visa problems, and him being an EU citizen, rather than lobby to have a fight in Europe, he foolishly wants a fight in the US.

It took 3 years for Khabib Nurmagomedov to finally get his VISA cleared by the U.S.

Realistically Mairbek shouldn't have to do anything other than keep applying for an American VISA ( which he has been ) and to ask the UFC to help since he keeps hitting a wall. He's also been asking for fights on the European cards in the Meanwhile and the UFC hasn't lifted a fucking finger. I'm not sure what else he's supposed to be doing.
 
The ufc pigeonholes most Asian and European fighters into their respective markets and otherwise shelves them with little interest in marketing them much at all. Pretty stupid, but being as they seemingly can barely market the easily marketable guys here in the US as it is, I can't say I blame them. Don't want to stretch an already overly burdened department of incompetents. ;D

This is pretty stupid.

UFC can't make money off of them and their value is in their home countries. That's the reality of the situation. People Justin shout "marketing" all day, but UFC isn't going to make money off of some guys and that's just the end of it.

Marketing isn't a magic word. Some guys just don't have superstar potential and that seems okay.
 
It took 3 years for Khabib Nurmagomedov to finally get his VISA cleared by the U.S.

Realistically Mairbek shouldn't have to do anything other than keep applying for an American VISA ( which he has been ) and to ask the UFC to help since he keeps hitting a wall. He's also been asking for fights on the European cards in the Meanwhile and the UFC hasn't lifted a fucking finger. I'm not sure what else he's supposed to be doing.


Not from the interview I heard, he didn't enthusiastically mention anything about demanding a fight on a European card. That's what I'm saying, he lacks drive, which is the only way he can overcome the double standards.

Khabib had no choice but to wait for a US visa, he's not an EU citizen.
 
This is pretty stupid.

UFC can't make money off of them and their value is in their home countries. That's the reality of the situation. People Justin shout "marketing" all day, but UFC isn't going to make money off of some guys and that's just the end of it.

Marketing isn't a magic word. Some guys just don't have superstar potential and that seems okay.

Thanks for sharing. Really eye opening stuff there.
 
Now that WME took over, it's all about brand recognition and Q Rating. It doesn't matter how popular fighters are with hardcores. It's who will the casuals recognize. It's unfortunate, but that's the new era.

If you read what I wrote, I'm not talking about " hardcores " that's another common deflecting response fans use out of ignorance. I'm talking about entire nations, countries and world regions that are fight fans, MMA fans and fans of these fighters that the UFC doesn't try to reach or profit from. When you consider there's as much MMA talent coming out of Russia in the world as there is in the US, and only a fraction is being tapped of it and the UFC doesn't pay them or promote them or treat them as well because of the country they are from....it's a problem. There's TONS of promotions thriving in Russia right now and the UFC isn't one of them. KSW is selling out a 65,000 seat stadium, POLAND LOVES MMA, Rizin is putting on huge cards in Japan and trying to revive Japanese MMA, ONE has been putting on cards in South East Asia trying to grow the sport in another region of the world. This isn't about "hard core fans" this is about the very sport itself.
 
According to Steve Maxwell, the new owners have classified the UFC as entertainment rather than sport. He claims that, therefore, choreographing outcomes like in professional wrestling would not be illegal. Nobody would go to jail if fight "fixing" occurred. If this is true, then wouldn't "moving the needle" be expected to be their only real concern, rather than conducting themselves as if they were a genuine sport?

Does Maxwell have it wrong?



Too many of the UFC's star making efforts have gone down the tubes, like PVZ, Sage, Ronda, etc. They're not fixing anything. Besides that, I guarantee no fighters in the UFC are willing to throw bouts after all the hard work they put in training for years. It seems too preposterous and in this day and age no MMA organization would get away with it.
 
My man this is the fight business the so called prize fighting.. it's first business then entertainment then last sport it was the same with the other owners and because of the big purchase tag it will be even more with he new ones in charge trying to recover as fast as possible the money they put it.

It's kinda sad but that's what we are at the moment.. the sport side is the smaller part of the equation by far.

As long as they can drag that PPV shit they will milk it to the max and will more or less ignore the non english speakers that don't cater that much for the PPV buyers.

Drama and circus sells way better then just fighting and this are the times we are living.
 
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