Is HW and LHW in its weakest state now?

Alex arguably lost to Jan.
jon arguably lost to Reyes and jan absolutely crushed him.

battered and broke him in a round and a half. jan is not bad. his win over rakic is looking REALLY fucking good to me right because I believe rakic to be one of the divisions best and was beating the everloving out of jiri before he got caught last fight. he's someone i see holding the title in the next 3 years.
 
absolutely not.


HW is stronger than it's ever been in the last 15 years IMO with more well rounded guys with different styles

LHW is finally in an interesting spot, though it's not the deepest it's a strikers delight with; Poatan, Hill, Krylov, Jiri, Volkan, Roundtree Jr, Ulberg and ankalaev.

LHW is in a better spot than Jones post jones/DC II. Smith, santos and Reyes aren't as good as a lot of the guys i posted above. but they were the best guys around at that time. so in the last 5 years imo, LHW has gone up up up.


to be clear, LHW and HW are weak divisions, They always have been, they always will be. but they are going though what I'd call a resurgence at this point in time. LW, WW which Have always been the most stack divisions are regressing.
Smith, Santos and Reyes were never top 3 dawgs. Glover was not either as I mentioned but he seemed to dominate the division once DC and Jones left as a 40 yr old so saying it has gone up up up is dishonest.

Now, I am not saying that all of these top guys from the past like Tito would ragdoll all of them. But I could definetely see him troubling most of them except Alex.

HW guys are well rounded? Beyond like Aspinall, Blaydes and a reach for Volkov, they are pretty limited. Derrick Lewis at 40 is still in the top 10. Arlovski is still semi-competent despite pushing 50, it is hard for me see that take in any shape or form whatsover.

During the Cain era, JDS, Werdum, Old Big Nog, Reem, Mir, and even a washed Cro-cop were all more well rounded than virtually everyone except Tom at the moment.
 
Smith, Santos and Reyes were never top 3 dawgs. Glover was not either as I mentioned but he seemed to dominate the division once DC and Jones left as a 40 yr old so saying it has gone up up up is dishonest.

Now, I am not saying that all of these top guys from the past like Tito would ragdoll all of them. But I could definetely see him troubling most of them except Alex.

HW guys are well rounded? Beyond like Aspinall, Blaydes and a reach for Volkov, they are pretty limited. Derrick Lewis at 40 is still in the top 10. Arlovski is still semi-competent despite pushing 50, it is hard for me see that take in any shape or form whatsover.

During the Cain era, JDS, Werdum, Old Big Nog, Reem, Mir, and even a washed Cro-cop were all more well rounded than virtually everyone except Tom at the moment.
yeah but 10 years ago arolovski was still beating young contenders and was a fight away from a title shot until he ran into stipe. when i say well rounded im talking about the division. There are specialists of all kind in the division now so it is more well rounded in that way (the division the the fighters) More interesting clashes of styles compared to the prior years i feel. I explained how i think the division looks and in a sense it's more competitive than it was before. because lets be honest mir reem JDS, Crocop as good as they were would probably all get a one round mauling from Almedia who is not a top 5. (werdum and big nog would be interesting though) because HW has those extreme match up disparities the division was lacking. guys like Rozenstuike are also kinda rare. Low volume lethal counter striking at Hw isn't common.
 
because lets be honest mir reem JDS, Crocop as good as they were would probably all get a one round mauling from Almedia who is not a top 5.
Considering that old Derrick was able to last to a decision with Almeida and KOed Curtis. I seriously doubt that.

I dunno if the fights at HW are more interesting. In my eyes, most of them have a suspicious gas tank and are seriously lacking in athletic prowess.
 
LHW sucks
back then it was the hardest and the most competitive division
a division with the most talented fighters

back then the HW division has monsters
cain,jds,werdum,overeem,stipe and many more
 
absolutely not.


HW is stronger than it's ever been in the last 15 years IMO with more well rounded guys with different styles

LHW is finally in an interesting spot, though it's not the deepest it's a strikers delight with; Poatan, Hill, Krylov, Jiri, Volkan, Roundtree Jr, Ulberg and ankalaev.

LHW is in a better spot than Jones post jones/DC II. Smith, santos and Reyes aren't as good as a lot of the guys i posted above. but they were the best guys around at that time. so in the last 5 years imo, LHW has gone up up up.


to be clear, LHW and HW are weak divisions, They always have been, they always will be. but they are going though what I'd call a resurgence at this point in time. LW, WW which Have always been the most stack divisions are regressing.
sir the LHW division was considerd the hardest and the most competitive division back then
LW WW and MW where inferior to the LHW division
yes that was the time when bj was the lw champ .gsp was the ww champ
and andy was the mw champ
but stil inferior to the LHW division
 
sir the LHW division was considerd the hardest and the most competitive division back then
LW WW and MW where inferior to the LHW division
yes that was the time when bj was the lw champ .gsp was the ww champ
and andy was the mw champ
but stil inferior to the LHW division
What's your point? LW and we became better immediately after absorbing other orgs.(Wec, strike force) UFC just had a monopoly on lhw and he divisions after absorbing pride.


LW ww were always the deepest world wide.
 
The division as a whole has all the pieces and match ups. DC doesn't really count IMO as all he ever did was fight stipe. (then cherry pick lewis) Pav was 26 when he lost and was still really young in mma, his first UFC fight.

Recall that Overeem has losses to travis brown, Who got beat the fuck up by a past his prime arolovski. we can both do this lol.

but we got this

- Tricky paitent counter strikers like rozenstriuke (rare at HW)
- Striking specialists like volkov and gane
- Well rounded guys Like Jones, aspinall
- Lethal Grappling specialists like Almedia and Blaydes
- Devestating KO guys like Lewis and Pavlovich

It's a diverese crop of fighters that match up interestingly against eachother.
k, but it's not "stronger than it's ever been in the last 15 years with more well rounded guys". Not even remotely close.

And DC was fighting Mir and Nelson in the UFC before he moved to LHW
 
I dont think of DC as a premier HW.

And i dont think mir or nelson would hang today either.
you're right 15 is a stretch more like 10
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nope.

I dont think he'd beat a lot of the best hws of the time I think at LHW he's tops tops but at HW no.


And I also think his HW title win is levied completely on an eyepoke that effected the fight. Stipe corrected him and that's good

When DC dominated Barnett, Barnett was 9-1 in his last 10 with the only loss being to Big Nog.

When DC knocked out Bigfoot, Bigfoot was coming off wins over Arlovski, Fedor and a close fight with Werdum he arguably won. After DC knocked out Bigfoot, Bigfoot went to the UFC and knocked out Overeem when he was closer to his Ubereem phase than he was against anyone else. Then Bigfoot knocked out a peaking Travis Browne who was also coming off a win over Overeem and then Bigfoot fought for the UFC HW title.

DC knocked Stipe out in the first round when Stipe was peaking and coming off wins over Hunt, Arlovski, Overeem, Werdum and Ngnanou. Eye poke or not Stipe had no answer for Cormiers collar tie-punch technique and was out classed. DC was beating the shit out of Stipe for 3 rounds in the rematch too until he gassed so it's not like he was lucky. He spent a lot of time out classing Stipe.

DC defended his title against Lewis- a guy who knocked out Blaydes who's fighting for an interim title in a couple weeks. Gane had to beat to Lewis become interim champion also.

DC went 15-2 as a HW and became a champion who defended his belt with his only losses coming to prime Stipe.

Not a premier HW my ass. You must be smoking bro.
 
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They are not in great conditions.

HW has an inactive and fat paper champ who refuses to fight contenders... That in my opinion are quite good (interim champ uber alles).

LHW are in a better condition because they have a clear champ even if with suspect and unproved grappling... But until smith is a top ten the average LHW level is low.
 
Prime DC would be champ today unless Aspinall has some super elite TDD and cardio
I like the part where you completely skipped over that the actual champion is someone who's already 3-0 over DC.
 
I like the part where you completely skipped over that the actual champion is someone who's already 3-0 over DC.
The washed up guy who lost to Reyes 4 years ago, and barely got past an injured Santos? The same guy who stated that he'd never fight a guy like DC at HW?

Yeah prime DC would beat a washed Jones at HW, and everybody else other than perhaps Aspinall.
 
Yeah the Chuck-Shogun era of LHW champions would've totally wrecked Pereira in a title fight

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You are correct but laughing? Pereira might have beaten both Iceman and Shogun, but don't kid yourself into believing knocking out the likes of Jiri is something that will go down in the history books. Pereira is legit, maybe Ank as well, but other than that it's mostly a bunch of mid-tier guys that would never have been close to a title shot in the Shogun/Iceman era. Fact.
 
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