Discussion in 'Muay Thai and Kickboxing' started by Celestial Kid, Aug 12, 2015.
Head movement is the easiest way to not get hit in the head.
Common sense is necessary.
Yeah, you're right, he's not a typical fighter, lazy post on my part to instigate convo
Body or head kick mixed with deft evasion is def the most 'beautiful' weapon by Thai standards, I'd say Lerdsilla is a good example of slipperyness
As for Thai style kicking being ineffective in mma?..... well there's a counter for everything isnt there, but fuck getting kicked in the ribs by a nak muay
Elite technicians (and Nak Muays that dabbled in boxing) like Samart, Saenchai, Namsaknoi and Somrak all have head movement, Muay Thai is my favorite sport, but there is some truth in what you're saying, in Muay Thai the solution to punch attacks is often clinch and kicks, rarely slips, so many Nak Muays do not develop these skills that much.
IMO, it's hard to develop these skills to a high level if you train in MMA or Muay Thai, when you work with boxers you understand how much training in boxing it takes to know how and when to move your head.
My general point is that there is no art that teaches EVERYTHING at high level, just certain levels of talent and adaptability.
Then why do most Thai boxers discourage it?
CK delved into this and asked guys who've lived and trained in Thailand before. This guy from Petchindee said he disliked it cuz you'll get kicked in the head. The other guy from sitsongpeenong told CK that he didn't learn that. Both learned similar stances. Hips squared, hands up (cheekbone or higher), rear foot up (45 degrees). With that said, the guy from petchindee told CK to adapt his stance to his physique and liking cuz everyone stands different.
Yes, CK is still new at MT. He wants to learn the art of 8 limbs. He learned some boxing so when he trained in MT, his MT trainer didn't like some of his head movement like ducking and slipping. He said CK might get kicked in the head. He also told CK to dodge & move around less because in MT, you have all weapons to deal with most attacks.
Well, Pernell Whittaker/James Toney style head movement WILL probably get you kicked in the head sooner or later, but subtle head movement and rolling with punches a bit is a great addition to a Nak Muay's arsenal.
CK disagrees. CK believes that Pernell Whittaker and James toney's style can be used in MT. The head kick and knee stuff are blown out of proportion.
A bit yeah, but it has a logical base. You'll have to have a nearly-inhuman talent to pull that off against a skilled Muay Thai fighter under MT (or even kickboxing) rules.
Jesus, you're an annoying poster!
^ Dejdam looks like a good striker but notice his body kicks got caught and he got taken down for that. CK thinks body kick effectiveness is reduced in MMA. In fact, all kicks are besides maybe leg kicks and high kicks. Now, CK's fellow forumites might asked what is he trying to prove or gain? Well, CK is trying to discover a muay thai fighter or thai boxing style that works in MMA with the threat of takedowns. So head movement also applies when talking about muay thai application. CK also watches a lot of CMT to see how Thai boxing works with 4 oz gloves.
that's all that was needed there :icon_chee
That form of defense is used to evade punches, not kicks, knees, and more importantly elbows.
Disagree. Open your mind and you'll become a great striker. Limit yourself and you become obscure. Of course, no one can learn from those greats anymore unless through lineage which is rare. One can only dream. But CK believes that their styles can work in muay thai.
Most CMT fighters are relatively low level guys...
Besides, people watch and discuss muay thai because they love it, they don't care if it works in MMA or in a street fight, just like fans of any other sport. They love the atmosphere, the tradition, relate to the fighters.
Not really. CK understands that its a sport but he knows muay thai guys & they're confident about their fighting skills. They know or think they can fight but the thing is, when reality hits them, they become traumatized especially when they go against mma guys. What ends up happening is they believe that their ground game sucks or their wrestling sucks when in truth, its their stance, their positioning, fight iq, etc. these things can be fixed and they can be universal to all thai fighters. Once taught, muay thai will become the superior striking art.
CK should try staying in a low center of gravity like in MMA and be kicked to death by great kickers
Muay Thai is designed for Muay Thai rules, not MMA.
EVERYTHING has to be adapted to adjust to MMA...
MT is a great striking art, but it definitely isn't the only one that has to do some adapting going to MMA. I had some problems myself at the boxing class since the teacher wanted me to have a very sideway stance. When I tried to use it in MMA class, it meant trouble. I also got kicked very often to the legs without having time to react. I made my stance more square and everything went easier after that (in MMA, boxing teacher still didn't like it)
Does CK train himself? Just a question.
Nevertheless, Heikki finds CK funny and enjoys most of his posts in some way.
Thank you Heikki. CK trains in thai boxing under a nak muay from petchindee.
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