Is head movement necessary in Muay Thai?

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  1. Celestial Kid

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    Is head movement necessary in muay thai? And for the thai boxers out there, how do you adapt your thai boxing in MMA? Or if you sparred/competed in MMA? Do u guys implement head movement? What about your stance? Do you guys still keep your hands up at eyebrow level in a MMA fight?
     
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    What's with the questions?
     
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    Answer em bruh. Besides, CK thinks highly of thai boxers so he wants their opinion.
     
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    From what I was taught, head movement is helpful but the movement of your head shouldn't be too much because the more your head veers off the center the closer you are to getting caught with a kick to the head. Real Muay Thai, like in Thailand, is very kick heavy. Those guys know how to time kicks and knead perfectly, so bobbing and weaving can be dangerous.
     
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    Most head movement in muay thai seems to be just sway backs to avoid high kicks rather than to avoid punches or just by virtue of footwork the head ends up moving. Punches aren't favoured because of the scoring so punch defence isn't that much of a priority certainly not in terms of slipping to get a good counter punch in because really you want to counter a punch with a good knee, kick or elbow.
     
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    Does the sport scoring of MT that affects the way thai boxers defend punches affect their striking defense significantly? Could that result in them getting KOed in mma rules ex) aistair overeem?
     
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    Nope no head movement necessary. Just standing there throwing leg kicks is all you need to use your Muay Thai for.

    Also elite level Thai fighters are so good they dont fight MMA because it would be to easy. They are so fast they dont need to move their head and just react to anything a low level Boxer or UFC fighter would do.

    Now Dutch kickboxers may use a little reverse head movement in which they actually stand up straighter and lower their hands against an MMA fighter because they are just that much better. They want to at least give the guy a chance.
     
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  12. FokaiMuayThai

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    What's with all the trolls coming out of the woodwork in the past week?

    Short answer- Depends on the individual fighter and the ruleset/scoring. Watch fast small guys like Keaw fight in K-1, his head movement is great, Attachai Samart, Lerdsila, Namsaknoi, list goes on.

    You rarely have to worry about getting hit by too many punches in general in Muay Thai matches, especially in Thailand, most punches are long i.e. Jab Cross, and when you're close your hooks and uppercuts are replaced with elbows. You also have more options to deal with them like clinching up or countering with a kick. K-1 rules has considerably more punching than MT.

    Like someone said earlier, the leanback/rockback is the staple dodging technique for most MT guys because alot of the strikes you're worrying about are kicks that come at that swinging angle.

    You'll get a little slip here and there, maybe weave under a punch and circle away off the ropes ala Petrosyan/Souwer in K-1 rules.

    Boxers only have two hands to fight with and defend with so having both hands free instead of one is in their best interest. Naturally, this exclusive attention to hands can be neglected more by Thai boxers. Just a different game.

    MMA by nature restricts high volume full power kicks and long punch-kick combination flowgame that most Thai boxers and Kickboxers rely on, so naturally the striking would be more boxing based because being on one leg has dire consequences unlike in kickfighting sports.

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    1) leg kicks are looked down upon in mauy thai. 2) in striking, yes, thais would clown mma guys on the feet. 3) dutch kickboxers are the ones who throw low kicks.
     
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    Pornsaneh is not your typical Muay Thai fighter in Thailand. I think casual spectators love hin for his style, but the bettors probably don't care for him because he doesn't do high scoring techniques and his results are unpredictable.

    John Wayne Parr has said on several occasions that in Muay Thai in Thailand low kicks are seen as a not so spectacular technique.
     
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    however this is coming over in your head when you sit down to do it, thats not how its coming over to the rest of us out here. Nobody laughs or is annoyed ,they just cringe. Please, please stop, for your sake and ours.
     
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    They don't kick the legs in Thailand too much because they don't want the kicks checked. Leads to injury. Most kicks are to body or head.
     
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    I'm sure that's part of the reason, but Thais don't use leg kicks often because it is one of the lowest scoring techniques in their scoring system. Unless they visibly rock the opponent, they'll count for practically nothing.
     
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    Parr also said that Knees and clinch work get the most points. Muay Thai scoring is dumb.
     
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    Muay Thai scoring makes the art impractical. Body kicks are easily caught by mma guys.
     

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