Is Cormier busting the myth?

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  1. TheonGreyJoy**

    TheonGreyJoy** Banned Banned

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    I've argued this view put forth prior that reach and height are some unfair advantage in MMA requiring less skill is an unproven myth.

    If anything our sport has shown us that a tall lanky build is something to be overcome with greater a higher skill level then a shorter more stalky and powerful built fighter able to bully his opponents.

    Few tall and lanky fighters have been able to over come the disadvantage of being less generally powerful with longer limbs more susceptible to being submitted. Time and again it seems the best fighters are the shorter and more powerfully built and I'm betting on someone with Cain's build over someone with Struve's every time.

    Suddenly I see a ton of hope that DC can and will beat Jones. So my question is three-fold. Were you in the camp prior saying Jones had some unfair advantage with his build? And if so do you see DC being able to beat him? And if so, how do you reconcile your prior view?
     
  2. SnapTheLankyGuy

    SnapTheLankyGuy Blue Belt

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    Picking Jones
     
  4. OldManGrip

    OldManGrip Brown Belt

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    wrestlers with shorter reach win way more often than tall lanky guys under 170. There has never been a full time champ over 5'10 at ww and under, if reach mattered that wouldnt be the case
     
  5. PRIDEWASBETTER

    PRIDEWASBETTER Whatever it takes Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Yes and yes. I'm not reconciling my view, though. Stalky guys that can wrestle, like Cormier, normally give lanky guys problems. Standing, however, that'll be DC's biggest hurdle.
     
  6. aichokyu

    aichokyu Brown Belt

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    height and reach are advantages, DC will beat jones because he's good enough to do so even with the disadvantages og being shorter (skill gap > reach advantage in this case)
     
  7. PRIDEWASBETTER

    PRIDEWASBETTER Whatever it takes Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    lol GSP is right on that border
     
  8. ShreddinMMA

    ShreddinMMA Gold Belt

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    Most fighters in MMA don't know how to in fight. It's just a fact. Cormier (as have guys like Fedor, Cain, etc) have taken the time to learn how to do it right.
     
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    your build only matters if you can recognize its advantages and disadvantages and put it to good use
     
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    Negative.

    I was in the camp that believes Jones is dominant because he's a fucking skilled athlete with one of, if not THE, best fight I.Q.s in the game.

    Jones is always showing some new technique in every fight he's in. The kid is a sponge.

    I think he's got D.C.'s number.
     
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    the fact is though 5'10 is still kind of short for ww. Condit was an interim champ thats why i stated full time champ
     
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    Understood.
     
  13. FrodoFraggins

    FrodoFraggins Black Belt

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    I'm not convinced yet. I think Jones still has massive advantages. He knows how to use his height/reach to his advantage. He is pretty damn elusive when he wants to be.

    But I'm still hoping Cormier snaps one of those chicken legs.
     
  14. OldManGrip

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    btw it was joe rogan who created this myth as he always says lanky is the best type. People listen to whatever joe says. Before he said that people were making fun of how skinny jones was and saying his legs would snap :p The fact is there is not a perfect build that will solve all problems. Using your build correctly is how to win fights
     
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    There isn't a dominant build in boxing or wrestling or jiu-jitsu. I wouldn't expect there to be one in MMA either. Lankier guys have reach, shorter guys have strength.
     
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    Not disagreeing about Jones. But DC is a sponge too. The guy has been competing in MMA a shorter time than Jones has and has showed new skills every fight as well (in different ways/ areas).

    This is why this fight is so fantastic. DC I believe is every bit as fantastic an athlete as Jones is. It's gonna bring the best out of both of them.
     
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    gus beats jones
     
  18. TheonGreyJoy**

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    I don't think it is that simple. I don't think Diabate has any advantage over Cormier that will help him win a fight. I don't think Struve has any over Cain.

    How about being shorter and more powerful is why DC might win and if Jones wins it is because he was able to over come his disadvantages of being lanky and weaker?

    If the vast majority of champs are shorter height and more powerfully built how is that a disadvantage to over come versus the tall lanky guys?

    That makes no sense.
     
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    I might be the only one who believes Cormier will work over Jones pretty handily. I'll bet on it when the fight comes.
     
  20. H0nkey K0ng

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    DC is an undeniable beast, bro. He's like a Grizzly bear throwing around a carcass. I gotz DC for the win
     

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