Is boxing still getting new tactics and techniques?

[JumJum]

Soccer still getting evolved despites being so old. But i wonder if there is really something new in boxing that muhammad ali or young mike Tyson never saw.

 

[StopDucking]

From a technical perspective, soccer is evolving collectively, not individually. All the dribbling and shooting Messi is doing has been done by Maradona. Messi might do it better but he's not doing anything new.

Boxing is an individual sport with less room for innovation. If anything, boxing has been regressing technically with many old school trainers like Cus D'Amato passing away with very few students. Not many people are able to teach the peek-a-boo and not many are capable of learning it, which means the system is doomed to go extinct.

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

From a technical perspective, soccer is evolving collectively, not individually. All the dribbling and shooting Messi is doing have been done by Maradona. Messi might do it better but he's not doing anything new.

Boxing is an individual sport with less room for innovation. If anything, boxing has been regressing technically with many old school trainers like Cus D'Amato passing away with very few students. Not many people are able to teach the peek-a-boo and not many are capable of learning it, which means the system is doomed to go extinct.

I heard this point made on a podcast recently and found it interesting.

Jeff Fenech was talking about how the art of infighting has disappeared pretty much, he was great at it too.

 

[mozfonky]

Technique wise? I don't see anything new. Sportswise, Tyson Fury at his height and weight would have been thought to be impossible in earlier times. Training wise,it seems as though the euros are bringing in some new stuff. I just got one of those goofy looking balls that you tie to your forehead, it's new to me if no one else.

 

[MT5]

I basically agree with the above. I'll note:
1) The rise of MMA and other combat sports probably pulls innovators away from boxing.
2) I think the plague of uncompetitive record padding fights probably has an effect here. Innovation happens because you're trying to think outside the box to outdo an opponent. If you're just a great boxer whiling away your time crushing cans before your title shot... that doesn't lend itself to innovating. Imho.

 

[JumJum]

From a technical perspective, soccer is evolving collectively, not individually. All the dribbling and shooting Messi is doing has been done by Maradona. Messi might do it better but he's not doing anything new.

Boxing is an individual sport with less room for innovation. If anything, boxing has been regressing technically with many old school trainers like Cus D'Amato passing away with very few students. Not many people are able to teach the peek-a-boo and not many are capable of learning it, which means the system is doomed to go extinct.

About dribbling kicking tricks and feints there might not be too much new stuff but individual positions like fake 9 didn't exist at maradona time

Well you can see some mostly unknown fighters use peekaboo. Canelo also use it sometimes. The problem with peekaboo is that it's completely destroying your lower back which is already sensitive part of the body. Even Tyson had a back surgery before 30 that completely destroyed his career. Today boxers care much more about their health and longevity so it's mostly abandoned.

 

[mozfonky]

About dribbling kicking tricks and feints there might not be too much new stuff but individual positions like fake 9 didn't exist at maradona time

Well you can see some mostly unknown fighters use peekaboo. Canelo also use it sometimes. The problem with peekaboo is that it's completely destroying your lower back which is already sensitive part of the body. Even Tyson had a back surgery before 30 that completely destroyed his career. Today boxers care much more about their health and longevity so it's mostly abandoned.

never heard tyson had back surgery before he was 30, any decent source of that? It's a strange style that doesn't work for everyone, seems to take a lot of energy to pull off and I always think how Floyd Patterson didn't get put down quite as much once he started to box more orthodox and without Cus.

As far as the back issues, shorter guys should do some of those things like crouching and bobbing, they say Marciano actually retired because of a bad back too.

 

[JumJum]

never heard tyson had back surgery before he was 30, any decent source of that? It's a strange style that doesn't work for everyone, seems to take a lot of energy to pull off and I always think how Floyd Patterson didn't get put down quite as much once he started to box more orthodox and without Cus.

As far as the back issues, shorter guys should do some of those things like crouching and bobbing, they say Marciano actually retired because of a bad back too.

https://m.timesofindia.com/entertai...g-after-neck-surgery/articleshow/16665618.cms
That's what i found.

Anyway canelo is short and is one of the most skilled boxers of all time yet he doesn't solely use like tyson did. Probably got good reasons for that.

 

[StopDucking]

About dribbling kicking tricks and feints there might not be too much new stuff but individual positions like fake 9 didn't exist at maradona time

Well you can see some mostly unknown fighters use peekaboo. Canelo also use it sometimes. The problem with peekaboo is that it's completely destroying your lower back which is already sensitive part of the body. Even Tyson had a back surgery before 30 that completely destroyed his career. Today boxers care much more about their health and longevity so it's mostly abandoned.

Canelo has never used the peek-a-boo. His guard, head movement, footwork and punches don't have the slightest bit of peek-a-boo in them. He also has never learned the system from the 3 or 4 people who still have the knowledge.

The peek-a-boo is the most complete and monolithic system in boxing. You either use it entirely or you don't. Canelo might use some techniques that are common to all systems but he doesn't use any that are specific to the peek-a-boo.

 

[Sinister]

The short answer is actually yes, there are innovations being made all the time. The problem with boxing us it takes a long time to see them. The Soviets worked on their school since the early 1900's before Kostya Tszyu and Vassily Jirov made it very very famous. Now everyone is relatively familiar with the Russian school to some extent. And interestingly enough some of the best innovations have come out of Countries where Sports are more subsidized. China hired Cuban trainers, but their athletes dont fight exactly like Cubans. So there's something interesting going on there. Innovations are most often made by Coaches toiling away in gyms teaching Amateurs.

It's more difficult here in the US because it's incredibly hard to make a living as a full time trainer, where you can put all your mental energy into development of technique. Most trainers here get by on the athleticism or toughness of their prospects. Technique is behind. Though there are some in the US trying to change that.

 

[Mr2urbo]

Switching stances, southpaw to orthodox is becoming more common

 

[Sinister]

Switching stances, southpaw to orthodox is becoming more common

IMO that's a product of two main influences:

1) Brendan Ingle in the UK. He was a big advocate of whimsical stance-switching.

2) the Russian school. They use switch-steps a lot in their basic training for Amateurs.