Is Bisping now a greater fighter than Faber with this win?

[ExitLUPin]

Before last night i thought almost anyone whos been following this sport ranks Urijah much higher than Bisping. Urijah is the 2nd best FW ever careerwise and most see him top 5 alltime @ BW as well. Really only a handful of guys at best can claim theyre top 5 alltime in 2 different weight classes. Altho with both men they were known for never being able to stamp themselves as the best fighter in the world at their weight while in the UFC (Urijah was obviously the best FW in the world at one point in WEC).

Urijah was able to get to the title shot by beating the top guys minus the champ while Bisping always lost to that guy and choked when it mattered really not having more than 2 or 3 top wins before fighting Luke. But last night Michael was able to do what Urijah has never been able to, in rise to the occasion in a UFC title fight and take out the champ. Does this now cement Bisping as a greater fighter than Faber or is Urijahs greater body of work and consistency over the years over two divisions (including only losing once in a non title fight to alltime great Frankie Edgar for an insane 28-1 record) override this massive win which is far better than any win Urijah has? It caught my attention seeing how these 2 looked post fight

 

[wilKO]

Are you talking p4p? Because if you aren't Bisping has always been a better fighter than Faber.

 

[AusMMAfan]

lol @ Faber.

 

[Exemplar]

These Bisping threads over the month are going to be interesting...

Career accomplishments, I'd say no. Faber dominated his weight class for years in WEC (the best org for smaller classes before the UFC acquired it) and has been very success in the UFC, except in title fights. Now if Bisping strings together a number of title defenses... he may be perceived as a more accomplished fighter than Faber. Could happen...

 

[Gonzaginator]

The only thing great about Faber is his chin and the hype surrounding him.

 

[AceCooch]

Bisping has accomplished more even without this win, imo

 

[TobikanJudan94]

Absolutely no,Faber was a champion in a major organization for a long time,he was a top 5 in 2 weight classes and all of his losses were against champions. People are way too high on Bisping right now,I'm happy he won but I think we all know Rockhold is a better fighter than him.

 

[qw3rty]

Only in UFC

 

[ExitLUPin]

Absolutely no,Faber was a champion in a major organization for a long time,he was a top 5 in 2 weight classes and all of his losses were against champions. People are way too high on Bisping right now,I'm happy he won but I think we all know Rockhold is a better fighter than him.

Im surprised at how lopsided this is. Urijah seems to be one of the least acknowledged greats

 

[Fight To Win]

The UFC world title is a pinnacle that Faber has never and will never reach. So yes, by definition Bisping is greater. If he can defend that belt he will be much, much greater.

 

[ExitLUPin]

The UFC world title is a pinnacle that Faber has never and will never reach. So yes, by definition Bisping is greater. If he can defend that belt he will be much, much greater.

Is Serra a greater WW than guys like Shields, Fitch, Nick Diaz or Rory?

 

[Davey Crockett]

im English and can answer this. No

 

[Fight To Win]

Is Serra a greater WW than guys like Shields, Fitch, Nick Diaz or Rory?

I think he will always have a more notable legacy than them because he won that belt, yes. Then again they've all fought for world titles, most notably Rory and Nick. So it's debatable to be honest. It's debatable for Faber even, he's contended for the world title several times.

My point is winning it is another story. Are you denying Serra's knockout of GSP is more notable than the contention for GSP's title by several of the guys you mentioned?

 

[ExitLUPin]

I think he will always have a more notable legacy than them because he won that belt, yes. Then again they've all fought for world titles, most notably Rory and Nick. So it's debatable to be honest. It's debatable for Faber even, he's contended for the world title several times.

My point is winning it is another story. Are you denying Serra's knockout of GSP isn't more notable than the contention for GSP's title by several of the guys you mentioned?

The narrative is stronger i guess if u want to argue that for being greater thats cool. But the case for Faber would be much more top wins and longevity/body of work being ranked top 5 in 2 different weight classes, being the 2nd best FW ever etc. Bisping was a bottom top 10 guy for like 95% of his career. Urijah was the best at his weight at one point, while he didnt win UFC title the WEC title he had is the same as the UFC title, just got promoted once WEC merged

 

[Fight To Win]

The narrative is stronger i guess if u want to argue that for being greater thats cool. But the case for Faber would be much more top wins and longevity/body of work being ranked top 5 in 2 different weight classes, being the 2nd best FW ever etc. Bisping was a bottom top 10 guy for like 95% of his career. Urijah was the best at his weight at one point, while he didnt win UFC title the WEC title he had is the same as the UFC title, just got promoted once WEC merged

Faber's a great fighter, no doubt about that. I just think a UFC title would have really sealed his name in that conversation. It's just a personal opinion. There's nothing quite like having that under your belt: UFC champion. Even Fedor doesn't have that and it will always be a factor in my opinion. He never even fought in the UFC, let alone contended for that title or won it.

 

[Ranger]

Faber dominated his class for a long time but a win over Anderson and a title top that.

 

[Caicara]

Titles, bitches. The "second place" is the first amongst the losers. Bisping is bigger

 

[The Notorious Two]

Naah.Like Faber or not but he's among the best p4p fighters with ko power and great ground game.Bisping scored 2 fluke victories in a row and everyone jumps on his dick.Cali Kid's better all the way

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

Faber is still more accomplished than Bisping IMO. When Faber was the dominant champ in WEC that was where the vast majority of the fighters under 155 were at. I view his WEC belt as equivalent to a UFC belt and he defended it multiple times.

If the UFC created the 135 and 145 divisions years earlier then Faber would have had a UFC belt already, to me that shouldn't make his WEC belt any worse because the best FWs and BWs were in the WEC for the most part.

 

[Tormund]

Faber is the first fighter to ever go 0-4 in UFC title fights, Bisping won it on his first attempt on 2 weeks notice against somebody that already beat him, yes Bisping is better than Faber. Bisping got robbed against a drug cheat and knocked out by 2 drug cheats. Cruz is right, Faber is lost without his overhand right and guillotine.