is big Nogueira still the undisputed second greatest heavyweight ever

for whatever reason back in 2010 that's so called new breed of heavy weights have been a complete disappointment. JDS and Cain Velasquez in my opinion never came close reaching the status of big Nogueira. and don't even hold a candle Fedor Emelianenkos legacy. I'm not saying Cain Velasquez or Junior dos Santos could not have defeated either of these two. they are clearly superior. but in terms of legacy I would still rank fighter like a Ken Shamrock Randy Couture Mark Coleman and I know it's not going to be a popular opinion on here
but Tim Sylvia. ahead of them even though they both held the title I've never felt like either of them will ever the guy. in terms of legacy this may sound a bit unfair. but I honestly believe they would have to do a lot more to surpass Nogs legacy. anyways I drifted way off topic but what do you think of my original question? your opinions are appreciated. and I'd actually like to hear from anybody who thinks nogs legacy already been surpassed.

Championships and achievements
Mixed martial arts

Fighting Network RINGS
2000 RINGS King of Kings Tournament Winner

PRIDE Fighting Championships
Pride Heavyweight Championship (One time, first)
Interim Pride Heavyweight Championship (One time)
2004 PRIDE Heavyweight Grand Prix Runner-Up
2006 PRIDE Heavyweight Grand Prix Semi-Finalist
Tied with Kazushi Sakuraba for the most submission wins (11) in Pride FC history

Ultimate Fighting Championship
Interim UFC Heavyweight Championship (One time)
Fight of the Night (Two times)
Knockout of the Night (One time)
Submission of the Night (One time)
World Extreme Fighting
WEF Heavyweight Superfight Champion (One Time)

Sherdog
Mixed Martial Arts Hall of Fame

Wrestling Observer Newsletter
2002 Fighter of the Year

Black Belt Magazine
2002 NHB Fighter of the Year

MMAFighting
2003 Fight of the Year vs. Mirko Filipović on November 9

Inside Fights
2009 Fight of the Year – vs. Randy Couture on August 29

 

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Yes he is, no question. The guy that is next in line and may leap him would be Werdum

 

i think he is, but undisputed? doubt it. maybe among the educated fans.

 

He or Werdum, although with Nog done I could see Arlovski, Mir, Werdum and the Reem all passing him at some point

 

Spoiler

Some may argue he's the first.

 

yes

 

It goes like this

Fedor
Werdum
Mir
Nog
Couture

 

Retires when there is talk of Fedor signing drops him a couple of slots on my list.

 

lol

good job. i needed that laugh. thank you.

 

Tell me why it's funny playa

 

Why? They weren't gonna fight and Dana is basically forcing him to retire.

 

Werdum

 

I agree, there's a strong case to be made that Werdum is now #2. If Fabricio defends his belt against Cain he would take the spot over Big Nog IMO.

 

big nog is 1-1 with werdum.


big nog is the goat heavy #2.

 

how about no

 

No way lets get real. Werdum's resume is the second best for a HW in the sport.

 

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/7/22/9011311/antonio-rodrigo-nogueira-fedor-emelianenko-rematch-even-outside-ufc-mma-news

Feels like he was gung-ho a month ago and now it's feels like a game of duck, duck, goose. I guess he is 0-2-1 v Fedor, so in Dana's mind probably not much sense in a 4th fight at this point.

 

Oh he is? The guy who lost to Fedor three times and Mir twice? That guy is ahead of the guy who beat Fedor and Cain?

Give me a fucking break it's not close.