Opinion Is anyone patriotic anymore?

"Solemnly swear to support and defend" crowd here.
 
Its hard to be consistently proud of a country because then you have to honestly assess the good and the bad.

Not many do this as they mistake their jingoism and nationalism as patriotism.
 
Our whole society seems to be geared to get rid of any pride in the West or individual country. It's looked down upon unfortunately.
Our education system teaches patriotism as bad and to do with colonialism/racism.
It's all down to the Left, got nothing to do with the Right. The Left want no borders. The Left wants lots of immigration from countries that have nothing to do with the Host nation. The Left is actively trying to change the demographic of each country, as is the EU and UN. If everyone in every country ends up the same they are far easier to control by the likes of the UN.
The Left ridicule patriotism.
The Left [which includes almost all the media] is openly trying to destroy our culture/traditions/pride.
75yrs ago everyone was patriotic, it was the end of the war. So in such a short space of time we've ended up like we are.
 
Our whole society seems to be geared to get rid of any pride in the West or individual country. It's looked down upon unfortunately.
Our education system teaches patriotism as bad and to do with colonialism/racism.
It's all down to the Left, got nothing to do with the Right. The Left want no borders. The Left wants lots of immigration from countries that have nothing to do with the Host nation. The Left is actively trying to change the demographic of each country, as is the EU and UN. If everyone in every country ends up the same they are far easier to control by the likes of the UN.
The Left ridicule patriotism.
The Left [which includes almost all the media] is openly trying to destroy our culture/traditions/pride.
75yrs ago everyone was patriotic, it was the end of the war. So in such a short space of time we've ended up like we are.
my God what a lost soul

Nothing to do with endless wars, capitalism being revealed as the driver of these catastrophes. Nothing to do with our governments completely and wholly selling out to these forces on every front. Capitalists want immigration and the cheap labor that comes with it.

Spoiler alert: patriotism/pride goes down when objectively just ends are forgotten in favor of greed and objectively shameful ends
 
Civics used to be taught in school.

I wonder why?
 
With our prime minister saying my country doesnt have a culture- that is to say that we dont share beliefs and values, and the proliferation of division amongst our ranks..

What does it mean to be patriotic? Identity politics have split us, we share no culture or values, big business interests and the few govern us.. what exactly am I proud of or supporting?

I am at the point I do not want to stand for an anthem tbh. I was born into an arbitrary set of lines on a globe that mean and stand for nothing. Why do I want to stand for a song to glorify a set of lines? A set of lines that have passed the reigns of society over to faceless greedy corporations?

Are you patriotic? If so, why? It seems so cuck to me in 2020.

Globalists have done every single thing to undermine national identity so what exactly do I have allegiance to?

to quote Doug Stanhope ((again)) "the only things nationalism teaches us is to hate people we have never met and to take credit for achievements that arent our own"

after 44 years in Canada....Im ready to go and will be gone before the year is out
 
I am at the point I do not want to stand for an anthem tbh.

Globalists have done every single thing to undermine national identity so what exactly do I have allegiance to?

So you're answer is just give up?
 
to quote Doug Stanhope ((again)) "the only things nationalism teaches us is to hate people we have never met and to take credit for achievements that arent our own"

after 44 years in Canada....Im ready to go and will be gone before the year is out
Go where though?
 
No. Americans come in two flavors.
Patriotic to what they THINK America is
and
Patriotic to what they WANT America to be.

very few are patriotic to what America actually is. a schizoid hodgepodge of dissimilar people in dissimilar regions united by a common language and common abusive governance.
 
You're right, it was a nation of immigrants with different cultures, values and backgrounds. The one thing that kept them together and united them was the American dream and the adopted the values of the constitution. Liberty and freedom were a big part of the new shared culture.

We are walking away from that though, the culture seems to shifting more towards identity politics based and less freedom based. Look no further than the attempts to police expression. It's less freedom for all in the pursuit of excellence, and more blame others for my station and try to limit their freedom/power.

Does that make sense?

It makes sense, but note that we're freer than we've ever been in most ways. It's precisely because freedom of speech has come so far that A) people have to complain about increasingly questionable violations of it and B) people making bad-faith arguments have been able to effectively weaponize it. To understand what I mean by B, think about the kinds of criticisms people would make in a nation that was strongly committed to serious Christianity. "That's not Biblically sanctioned!" "You're a bad Christian." In a nation committed to liberal values, people defend indefensible positions by arguing that their opponents are being illiberal by opposing them. I think identity politics is dominant on the right because, again, their policy views are intellectually indefensible. But that's a standard and long-term play. Remember former RNC Chair Lee Atwater's comments:

You start out in 1954 by saying, "N*****, n*****, n*****." By 1968 you can't say "n*****" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "N*****, n*****."
 
What the founding fathers of the USA stood for was GOAT tier in terms of theory. If they were to see the rise of the corporation as an entity and fiat currency and the banking system and political capture they would shit in their pants.

You're talking about men who thought protecting volunteer militias would stave off the formation of a paid standing army (hence the entire motivation and purpose of the 2A).

Not exactly effective prognosticators, these fellows. :rolleyes:
 
You're right, it was a nation of immigrants with different cultures, values and backgrounds. The one thing that kept them together and united them was the American dream and the adopted the values of the constitution. Liberty and freedom were a big part of the new shared culture.

Historical illiteracy on display... Immigrants made up a significant percentage of the membership in American socialist and communist groups and parties during the 30's and 40's and 50's.
 
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Lots of fake patriotism: people think if they put a flag on their pickup but support Trump literally raw dogging the constitution their patriots.

Meanwhile a person like myself who sees the constitution as being above any political party is called unpatriotic because I don’t have a flag on my truck and don’t wear an American flag shirt on the 4th of July
 
a beautiful tropical beach with white sand and abundant fresh clean fruit and meat
I hear yah.. North Sentinel looks secluded and I hear the locals are real friendly lol
 
I hear yah.. North Sentinel looks secluded and I hear the locals are real friendly lol
while over all its a pretty friendly place, I live in Winnipeg, Im well accustomed to unfriendly "locals".... this is my last winter here no doubt...
 
You're right, it was a nation of immigrants with different cultures, values and backgrounds. The one thing that kept them together and united them was the American dream and the adopted the values of the constitution. Liberty and freedom were a big part of the new shared culture.

That's not true. America wasn't founded to be a multicultural/racial society where whites could potentially become a minority. Up until 1965, we had immigration laws to keep America majority white. The naturalization act of 1790 limited citizenship to "any alien, being a free white person".

We are walking away from that though, the culture seems to shifting more towards identity politics based and less freedom based. Look no further than the attempts to police expression. It's less freedom for all in the pursuit of excellence, and more blame others for my station and try to limit their freedom/power.

Does that make sense?

You've correctly identified that we are indeed starting to deteriorate into madness. And as whites become a minority, the U.S.A will continue to change. That's a fact...
 
Humanity/Earth/Universe > Your Shitty Country.


Sorry but Im for Humanity/Earth/Universe, for the grand scheme.



LMFAO if you put some made up country who has only been here for like 1000 years at most, above any of those things which have existed for millions/billions of years.



USA is still the undisputed GOAT right now tho, and overall I like the USA but it has lots lots of flaws.
 
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