iron chins that broke in USADA era

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  1. in the liver

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    Lets get a list! Criteria below

    Ronda Rousey (vs holly holm, November 2015. Previously unbeaten)
    Robbie Lawler (vs tyron woodley, July 2016, one previous knockout over ten years ago)
    Johny Hendricks (vs Stephen Thompson, February 2016, never even been rocked before i think)
    Junior Dos Santos (vs Alistair Overeem December 2015, one previous TKO after prolonged 5 round beating)
    Jose Aldo (vs Conor McGregor, December 2015, no previous KO in very long career)
    Conor McGregor (vs Nate Diaz March 2016(badly rocked leading to choke) never rocked previously)
    Miesha Tate (vs Amanda Nunes July 2016, (choke followed knockdown), one previous ko early in career, one tko after prolonged punishment)
    hector lombard - 43 pro mma bouts: pops for steroids, comes back and suffers first ko loss, then immediately loses by ko again


    Usada testing began in july 2015.

    fighters should be renowned for previous toughness and display vulnerability post usada. obviously knockdowns or getting rocked etc can lead directly to subs and this is usually pretty clear

    who else ya got?
     
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    This thread makes no sense, most of the fighters you listed aren't even known for having iron chins because they barely got hit in the first place.

    Also no PED will give you a better chin
     
  3. LHoee

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    Are you denying that the neck musculature has an effect in reducing the whiplash effect that occurs when taking a punch?

    There is a reason androgenic steroids disproportionately increases the size of the neck and trapezius, it is strongly involved in hand to hand combat(which androgens basically primes you for):

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10664066
     
  4. Area809

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    Dumb thread. They fight with tiny gloves. Eventually everyone gets knocked out.
     
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    PEDS do improve durability imo.
     
  6. chukutee

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    It's hard to say. I would say it is possible that being juiced to the gills will give you better KO resistance. We've seen it a lot where a guy comes off the juice and is suddenly chinny. I can think of a couple of mechanical reasons why it might be the case, stronger neck muscles might dampen the effect of punches on the brain etc.

    Of course another very plausible reason is simply that coming off the juice they are not moving as well as they used to. Lost the speed, lost the power, hands are getting heavy sooner. Evasive movements not as explosive. Just more likely to find themselves in a bad position.
     
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  7. LHoee

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    Bigfoot agrees.

    The difference between the two Hunt fights says it all, really.
     
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    Robbie lawler is renowned for being in brawls constantly
    Conor has always been hittable, takes plenty of shots right to the jaw
    if you actually watch any aldo fights (have you? Ever?) he has been cracked in the jaw and staggered back many many times but never put away
    Junior has always been known to defend with his chin and suffered two of the most awful beatings ive ever seen from cain, and still never got knocked out
    All miesha really has is toughness
    you can watch johnny get cracked in the chin and not even change his facial expression, probably in every one of his fights

    what im saying is, blow me
     
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    Fuck off you whiney bitch
     
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    Thats a good one, thanks
     
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    Robbie gets rocked a bunch, but he recovers quickly. Tyron didn't let him recover.
     
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    That seems to be an unpopular opinion but i dont know why. If you want to talk about muscles supporting the neck and head, or if you want to point at a lack of testosterone making you feel generally tired and weak, there definitely seems to be some corellation
     
  13. Straightcross

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    You know the chin becomes less durable over time right? It's like a bucket of water, it fills up over time and eventually a single drop is enough to make it overflow.
     
  14. Readybodisready

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    What an unbelievably shitty thread. Terrible examples.
     
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  15. LHoee

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    Oh, you mean like how Bigfoot gets finished by Cain's first punch.

    He then goes on to eat bombs from Mark Hunt for five rounds straight, ending with him popping for elevated testosterone levels.

    Then ever since popping for elevated testosterone, he gets finished by the first punch of the fight.

    How about Marlon Moraes getting stopped in two of his first four fights. Only to turn into superman physically and going on a massive winning streak against better competition without getting knocked out once.
     
  16. in the liver

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    Only time i saw him in as much trouble was against diaz. What else ya got? If woodley went for a walk around the stadium, robbie wasnt coming back from that.
     
  17. in the liver

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    Your not even a good example of a limp dick

    lol haters gonna hate
     
  18. in the liver

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    Great example
     
  19. Jimmy jump

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    Look at Reem in K1 - taking big hits and barely being rocked.
     
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