Interview with Royce Gracie - it's all about finishes.

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He condemns point fighting and says he has no interest in watching fights based on a point-system.
Following the spirit of MMA, and the words of a pioneer, we can safely state that fighters that seek the finish are the best. Point fighting is condemnable and a corruption of the arts.

Interview with the winner of the three first editions of the UFC. Relevant parts:
"One of the greatest names of modern fighting, does not see himself as a stereotypical fighter. The 51 year old spends 7 months each year travelling the world teaching BJJ, always emphasising: this is a martial art, the goal is the finish. For this reason, he doesn't even follow the Jiu Jitsu championships.

1- About the early championships. "I was always napping before fights. Royler had to wake me up". "For me it was normal. My father, my uncles, I grew up in an environment where everybody engaged in bare fist combat. The adversaries were shocked that they would fight with their bare hands, but for me it was the usual: let's fight with no gloves, nothing, no problem".

2 - (Interviewer) "How was your decision to abandon UFC5 and quit MMA?". (Royce) "They started to introduce rules: gloves, time. My father used to tell them ' I'll give you the weight, but you have to give us the time'. I was giving them the weight advantage, but they took the time away from, which made it difficult for me....I'm giving you guys the weight advantage, I fight with 78 to 80Kg and they weigh 100, 120 even 150Kg and make the fight very short: it became a disadvantage for me. I can give you the weight, but you have to give me the time".

3 - (interviewer) "We have now large world events, see now a professionalisation of Jiu Jitsu, weight classes, great talent, the way Jiu Jitsu is presented to the public. How do you see this change in the style of Jiu Jitsu?". (Royce) "I am against the athletic Jiu Jitsu, designed to score points. Martial arts were not designed to score points. Martial arts were created to defend yourself in a real combat: forget which is best or worst, the goal is to defend yourself in a real fight, not to score points. So, I am against championships, points..." (interviewer) "You claim you are ok with the UFC's format, that's a closed form, but for Jiu Jitsu you are opposed to these this format?" (Royce) " NO! Because there (in Jiu Jitsu) they are learning to fight. They are learning how to defend themselves in a real fight. Championship, rules, points: Tae Kwon Do for example, (slaps the interviewer's shoulder) I scored a point - now I'm olympic champion in TKD, it's nonsense. TKD was not created for that, it was created to kicks the opponent's head off, punch a hole in the opponent's chest. Forget which is the better or worse (martial art), TKD was created for that, but if you do it, you are too violent, you can't do it, you have to simply score a point. Jiu Jitsu was not created for scoring points, it was created for personal defence in a real fight. UFC has a time limit, they created the weight classes, but they are not learning to fight, it's just a test of martial arts."

4 - (interviewer) "What about great names like Bochecha and Leandro Lo, who are in great organisations. How do you see these fighters, and who do you admire?" (Royce) "They are good Jiu Jitsu fighters. But how can I climb up in degrees, how can I be a black belt in Karate if I don't know the self-defence system? If I don't know the katas in Karate? If tomorrow, I join a Karate dojo, knock everyone out, does that make me a Karate black belt? No, because I don't know the katas...it's different. So, if tomorrow, the Jiu Jitsu champion who won all championships, subs everybody, does he really know the system? Does he know how to get out of a necktie, can he defend himself in a real fight? That's a different picture. We are teaching a martial art."

5 - (interviewer) "Do you like watching any of these guys?" (Royce) "No. If it's a Vale Tudo fight, I watch it, if it's a championship, no. I don't even know".
 
He said he was a UFC fan a couple of years ago or maybe he is talking about Jiujitsu at the end
 
Royce was the man back then. Just saw him finish a guy around 60-70 pounds bigger than him at UFC 2.
 
Royce was the man back then. Just saw him finish a guy around 60-70 pounds bigger than him at UFC 2.

I saw guys with a few months of BJJ training do the same thing in the 90s when newbies visited their school. A guy trained in BJJ since he was a toddler subbing a bigger guy with zero grappling game just isn't that impressive. But I guess people still buy into the early UFC marketing and hype...
 
I saw guys with a few months of BJJ training do the same thing in the 90s when newbies visited their school. A guy trained in BJJ since he was a toddler subbing a bigger guy with zero grappling game just isn't that impressive. But I guess people still buy into the early UFC marketing and hype...

The fact that he was able to get him down to the ground in the first place and submit him without the guy overpowering him, however, was.

That was literally the sport back then in its inception - 99.9% of the competitors weren't well-rounded and mainly specialized in one thing, and it was all about seeing who was better at their craft than the other guy was as a means of finding out which style of fighting was the most superior.
 
The fact that he was able to get him down to the ground in the first place and submit him without the guy overpowering him, however, was.

No, not when his opponents knew absolutely nothing about TDD...and again, Royce was trained as a grappler since a child. Other fighters caught on after the first few UFCs, though...Kimo (who had high school wrestling and very minimal BJJ training) gave him a great scare (so much that Royce wouldn't finish the tournament). And Keith Hackney did a pretty good job of being the first sprawl-n-brawl fighter.
 
No, not when his opponents knew absolutely nothing about TDD...and again, Royce was trained as a grappler since a child. Other fighters caught on after the first few UFCs, though...Kimo (who had high school wrestling and very minimal BJJ training) gave him a great scare (so much that Royce wouldn't finish the tournament). And Keith Hackney did a pretty good job of being the first sprawl-n-brawl fighter.

Everything you just wrote I answered in the second part of my post.

Also basic TDD shouldn't be some huge mystery to conquer - Managing to get past anything forceful a bigger guy might throw at you and getting him down and submitting him (Royce was arguably every bit of a novice on the feet as the other guy was on the ground) is still impressive no matter how you look at it.
 
The fact that he was able to get him down to the ground in the first place and submit him without the guy overpowering him, however, was.

That was literally the sport back then in its inception - 99.9% of the competitors weren't well-rounded and mainly specialized in one thing, and it was all about seeing who was better at their craft than the other guy was as a means of finding out which style of fighting was the most superior.

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So...should we just have a card full of no time limit fights? I mean...Royce vs Saku was cool and all, but I'd rather not sit through that every time. 15 minutes is 10 minutes too long for some of these fights.
 
He's right you know.

The Greg Jackson style of winning rounds has really diluted the fighting.
 
I was all aboard the Gracie train back in the day and followed since the very first UFC. But for quite a lot of years now, I've found Royce really painful and irritating to watch in about any interview. :rolleyes:
 
Agreed with MMA legend and pioneer Royce

Anderson Silva is a finisher (mostly under 2 rounds) and that’s why he’s the GOAT
 
Everything you just wrote I answered in the second part of my post.

Also basic TDD shouldn't be some huge mystery to conquer - Managing to get past anything forceful a bigger guy might throw at you and getting him down and submitting him (Royce was arguably every bit of a novice on the feet as the other guy was on the ground) is still impressive no matter how you look at it.

This is a great example of hindsight bias. Sure, it's easy in 2018 to say how someone could avoid takedowns in 1993. However, those guys thought UFC 1 would look more like Bloodsport or kickboxing. They had no clue or training on how to grapple. They just knew this Gracie guy might break their arm or choke them--and had no idea what to do about it--and many of them fought scared (again, understandably) with no strategy. The strategies came about after the first couple of UFCs, when there was some tape on Royce and people were starting to train more in grappling (and anti-grappling).
 
So...should we just have a card full of no time limit fights? I mean...Royce vs Saku was cool and all, but I'd rather not sit through that every time. 15 minutes is 10 minutes too long for some of these fights.

Then there was Royce-Shamrock 2, Royce-Severn, etc. Once wrestlers entered the fray and other guys started getting more grappling training (Lion's Den, Japan, etc), fights started getting much longer and more inactive--especially when neither fighter was a good striker or had KO power.

Enough of those kind of 30-90 minute fights and NHB/MMA would've gone bankrupt.
 
I have to agree with mkt here. A low rank KOTC fighter could travel back in time to 93 and do as much damage or more in those first UFC's. Don't get me wrong, Royce gets respect for being the first one (well, you could argue Gene Lebell was but that's a topic for another discussion) but lets not blow it out of proportion. It also doesn't help that the guy has zero humility and likes to criticize fighters about not finishing and all that macho talk about being a "real" fighter. Yeah, because fighters nowadays are about as the same level as Art Jimmerson so it should be no sweat finishing them (sarcasm).
 
It also doesn't help that the guy has zero humility and likes to criticize fighters about not finishing and all that macho talk about being a "real" fighter. Yeah, because fighters nowadays are about as the same level as Art Jimmerson so it should be no sweat finishing them (sarcasm).

That's exactly why I find his interviews so irritating.
 
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