Interesting, Gsp just said BJ Penn is the most skilled fighter he's ever fought

[RiotWyatt]

By using MMA math?

You use Wins over Guida/Tibua/Guillard as "proof"

Yet Guida, Guillard, and Tibua are not even currently ranked in the top 50 at LW.

Guida went to FW and got pounded on at FW too.

Guida, Guillard, Tibua were never elite LWs

You aren't proving your case. If anything you are proving my case more and more lol: )

LW has always been deep and talent rich.

But the skill levels are still far ahead right now

But as I already said, BJ's skills on the ground are timeless and still ahead

Just like how Conor's boxing skill and skills on the feet will always be timeless and far ahead of the time no matter the time period in MMA decades and decades form now etc

Not elite but holds a win over Pettis in his prime. Pettis who is a shell of his former self just finished a current top LW.

Not elite but beat RDA on a 3 fight win streak, who also went 6-1 afterwards. RDA, who’s lone loss in that time being to... Tibau.

Guida AND Tibau, old and battleworn, gave two of the current new “GOATs” some of their toughest fights to date.

All the while, in their primes, Stevenson and Florian handled them easily.

 

[PROlogic]

Not elite but holds a win over Pettis in his prime. Pettis who is a shell of his former self just finished a current top LW.

Not elite but beat RDA on a 3 fight win streak, who also went 6-1 afterwards. RDA, who’s lone loss in that time being to... Tibau.

You are making it sound like these are Stevenson's wins

They are not

They are Guida's wins. Whoever Guida beats doesn't become a win for Stevenson.

That's how you're using MMA math in a different way

Maybe if BJ had beaten Guida then you could use all these fictitious arguments

Dennis Holman beat Hughes 2x. Does that make Hollman an elite fighter? What's the highest ranking Guida ever held at LW? Guido was a great fighter, a very relentless strong wrestler who managed to pull off a couple of huge upsets by his heart/grit/will/grinding pressure

Do you know Mendes RUINED Guida, and then Conor knocked Mendes out

 

[RiotWyatt]

You are making it sound like these are Stevenson's wins

They are not

They are Guida's wins. Whoever Guida beats doesn't become a win for Stevenson.

That's how you're using MMA math in a different way

Maybe if BJ had beaten Guida then you could use all these fictitious arguments

Dennis Holman beat Hughes 2x. Does that make Hollman an elite fighter? What's the highest ranking Guida ever held at LW? Guido was a great fighter, a very relentless strong wrestler who managed to pull off a couple of huge upsets by his heart/grit/will/grinding pressure

Do you know Mendes RUINED Guida, and then Conor knocked Mendes out

I’m making the relation that their skill sets are not that far apart. That fighters they beat were highly competitive against fighters that are considered “better”.

The skill sets are not that far apart from today.

That you laughed off Stevenson as a win and are utterly ignorant for it. He finished and dominated some damn good fighters.

 

[PROlogic]

I’m making the relation that their skill sets are not that far apart. That fighters they beat were highly competitive against fighters that are considered “better”.

The skill sets are not that far apart from today.

That you laughed off Stevenson as a win and are utterly ignorant for it. He finished and dominated some damn good fighters.

You still keep using MMA math. It doenst work like that

STYLES MAKE FIGHTS

Stevenson was never an elite LW. He picked up decent wins via his ground game.

Neither was Guida despite winning a couple of huge upsets DUE TO HIS WRESTLING

Guida's wins are NOT Stevenson's wins either.

Nothing you have "argued" hast provem anything about skill level


Here, let me make it easy for you

Let's stick to actual core fundamental issues that can be proven

What was Guide's highest ranking at LW?

What was Stevensons?

What was the top 5 during BJ's era.

Now compare it to the top 5 of today

Or even a comparison of top 10s too

There's no question that there's far many more well-rounded - more skilled fighters in today's top 5 (top 10 as well)...And many more immensely skilled specialists in today's top 5 as well

 

[Bend NvR Break]

Wut..?

Have you watched that fight? Watch it again, please. That was one of the biggest robberies in championship history!

GSP took a shitload of damage and was nullified almost the entire fight. Please explain to me how he won even 2 rounds, let alone 3 or 4.

"Superficial" damage

GSP is easily marked up.

LMAO....


This lets me know to disregard any opinions you have about fighting now. You know nothing

You are the sterotypical BJ fanboy who people hate

Who's the best striker BJ ever outboxed or out struck ?

Meanwhile Conor actually out strikes and out boxes OTHER LEGIT elite strikers, such as Holloway and Aldo etc

Alvarez alone is a way better striker then anyone BJ ever beat

BJ in his life never put on a clinic against an opponent the way Conor did Alvarez and Aldo etc

Would BJ ever land counters on Floyd and win rounds off Floyd

Conor is a universes superior boxer to BJ.

And I can prove that with more facts

-Conor's countering, lead hand control radar systems, footwork, sophisticated fienting systems, jab, body punching, clinch game etc etc etc

While all BJ had was a jab

Conor is vastly superior in every single metric of boxing. Any single thing related to boxing Conor is vastly superior in. Far more compete and far superior from every range and every position etc

I know from your posting history how you're always blatantly hating on Conor

This is among the worst things you're said so far, so thats saying something


Let me also remind you what happened when BJ fought the Lesser Diaz brother

Meanwhile here was Conor against the vastly better Diaz brother

Just look at that Nick vs BJ gif, and look at Nick utilizing lead hand control against BJ to keep his jab hand at bay, and whacking him with left straights

Now imagine what Conor would do to him?

lol BJ isn't even a fraction of the boxer and striker Conor is

Conor would absolutely wipe the floor with BJ on the feet

@markg171

PROdelusional created

 

[LittleSmokey]

Hendricks fucked up GSP so bad he's has alien delusions.

 

[PROlogic]

Having said that, NOBODY other than those who have a Mcgregor poster above the top bunk of their bunk bed believe he will be in the conversation (that is what convo means by the way) for LW goat - or any other goat talk

You are no one to decide any criteria or what other people are allowed to think.

Many will absolutely include Conor in the dicussion of all and any GOAT conversations when he if/if he beats Khabib, whether you like it or not.

You are a hater who still can't accept that you were wrong about Conor. You picked all his fights wrong. Stay salty. Try all you want to deny the inevitable. Conor's resume is reality and speaks for itself. A win over a 26-Khabib is GOAT. Especially since Conor also beat a 25-1 Aldo

 

[Hypetrainofthemonth]

Im just curious, as you make fun of other fanboys, is there a thread you've created, much less replied in, where you DONT mention conor? If so, what is the ratio?

 

[Mob69]

Well yeah. BJ fucked him up the first fight. So Georges decided to get on top and stay there.​

 

[BoxingMMA]

That kick Condit landed was mssive and beautiful. It was an old school kickboxing move to hide the kick like that, it’s the most trouble GSP has ever been in.

If you recall how GSP recovered from that, it just makes him even more impressive.

 

[PROlogic]

"Superficial" damage

GSP is easily marked up.

PROdelusional created

There's a reason why all you can do is respond with personal insults

You cant refute anything I said because what I'm saying is the truth

I actually backed up what I said with fact and examples

While you've backed up nothing

You have failed to back up any of your trolling statements


You want to know what's truly delusional?

To believe that this fighter

Is a better boxer then this fighter

Yeah: ) The only one here delusional is YOU

Conor is a universe superior boxer/striker, and would wipe the floor with the best version of BJ there's ever been any day of the week twice on Sundays

 

[PROlogic]

That kick Condit landed was mssive and beautiful. It was an old school kickboxing move to hide the kick like that, it’s the most trouble GSP has ever been in.

If you recall how GSP recovered from that, it just makes him even more impressive.

Condit level changed and came up with that kick

Very impressive stuff that completely caught GSP off-guard

To come up from a level change with a kick like that. No one would have ever expected that

Only prime Condit was unpredictabke like that lol

And for GSP to recover from that kick was incredible

 

[Area809]

GSP would’ve struggled with BJ if they were the same size

 

[BoxingMMA]

Condit level changed and came up with that kick

Very impressive stuff that completely caught GSP off-guard

To come up from a level change with a kick like that. No one would have ever expected that

Only prime Condit was unpredictabke like that lol

And for GSP to recover from that kick was incredible

It was a thing of beauty, so well hidden that GSP was literally clueless to the possibility of a headkick coming from that position

 

[lsa]

In your pants

 

[PROlogic]

It was a thing of beauty, so well hidden that GSP was literally clueless to the possibility of a headkick coming from that position

Such akward movements lol

To duck and weave to his right while coming up with the head kick

How do you even prepare for that when no one is doing that?

Look how Condit leads with the left hook to occupy Gsp's guard and open up the right straight (typical in boxing)

Notice How Gsp does brilliant to know what's coming behind the lead hook and deflects the right straight

But the way Condit ducks after the lead hook right straight combo, and then comes up from his level change with a head kick...goodness...incredible stuff..

GSP was literally caught at a standstill

Usually thats when a prime upset happens.

Yet even when someone lands that perfect strike against Gsp, Gsp still recovers and wins

GSP is incredible

 

[gono btw]

GSP would’ve struggled with BJ if they were the same size

well, he did struggle big time in the 1st fight.

 

[hurv]

Baby Jay Penn in his prime was like watching beutiful violent poetry.

 

[PROlogic]

well, he did struggle big time in the 1st fight.

I think you and @RiotWyatt are the most "reasonable" BJs fan in here.

I feel you are even more reasonable

I think you are knowledgeable

I value your opinion my brother.

I'm curious, what do you think about the whole BJ vs Conor/Khabib discussion? Honest objective opinion?

 

[thelittleman]

Holloway and Aldo are the only ones worth mentioning there. That "resume" (including the journeymen you threw in) is nowhere near top 20 of all-time, man. Don't forget that one of those journeymen submitted him and arguably won the rematch.

Dustin Poirier is currently ranked # 3 in the incredibly stacked UFC LW division. Chad Mendes has only lost 4 fights. 3 of those losses were in title fights(2 against the FW GOAT) and the other loss was to an ex LW Champ/all-time great. Definitely not a journeyman. And Eddie Alvarez is an MMA legend.