Integrity of the sport ... Does it matter to you?

I don't see how I hate anything here, I enjoy the fights even if I think there is more then meets the eye.

Fact is, there us no fighters union, nor is there ever going to be one. Salaries will remain undisclosed under Zuffa. How many major league sports operate this way?

Boxing has a rich history, but it's also filled with fixed decisions. If you think that a pair of casino owners are above putting the intangibles in house favor with a league they run, you're entitled to your opinion and I wont even claim you're naive.
You took a cheap shot without having evidence. Then you replied to me reiterating your point, again without evidence. I appreciate your civility but it feels disengenuous of you to make such scathing claims without evidence. This leads me to believe that there is no evidence, which means that instead of disliking the UFC for the bad things you know they do you dislike the UFC and therfore assume they do bad things.

Show me the evidence and consider me converted.
 
Originally Posted by Ring Shark98
I care about it quite a bit. I have been watching less and less over the years, because to me it is reverting back to a spectacle rather than a sport. I still watch for the love of the sport, but the way ufc has taken over and the way they run things has lead to my waning interest.

I know lots of people will be on me like rabid dogs for this post, but it's an online forum. I don't care.

Originally Posted by BruceLeeOnTRT
I don't see how I hate anything here, I enjoy the fights even if I think there is more then meets the eye.

Fact is, there us no fighters union, nor is there ever going to be one. Salaries will remain undisclosed under Zuffa. How many major league sports operate this way?

Boxing has a rich history, but it's also filled with fixed decisions. If you think that a pair of casino owners are above putting the intangibles in house favor with a league they run, you're entitled to your opinion and I wont even claim you're naive.

Originally Posted by chef diablo
I don't think there is anything wrong with having a healthy dose of skepticism. With all of the wide spread doping scandals, gambling businesses, and general corruption that exists in this world I would wager it is naive not to assume underhanded motives first.

When I found out about fixed soccer matches that took place in Ontario Canada for gambling houses in Europe I stopped doubting the lengths people will go to in order to be dirty, rotten, filthy, stinking, rich.

Nice post fella's. Much respect.
 
I care about it quite a bit. I have been watching less and less over the years, because to me it is reverting back to a spectacle rather than a sport. I still watch for the love of the sport, but the way ufc has taken over and the way they run things has lead to my waning interest.

I know lots of people will be on me like rabid dogs for this post, but it's an online forum. I don't care.

I feel the same as you... UFC don't care very much about the sport of MMA, they made it clear that their goal is to produce entertainment. The business model leans too much toward the WWE model for me. I hope someday we'll see a real MMA pro league that let the sport evolve on it's own and not try to make it evolve the way someone planned it to be.
 
At the end of the day people need to realize that this is a gambling event first and foremost. It's run by casino owners, and while there is a great deal of athleticism and technique involved, it's in essence the same as horse racing. Fights are real, finishes are real (some im skeptical about), judges are where the house always wins.

I still enjoy watching it, but I dont see it becoming a real major league like sport under current ownership with no fighters union.

Good post. Sometimes I forget about the gambling influence. I'm honestly curious about the comment regarding judges though.
 
Sherdog posters for the most part are UFC fans. Not MMA fans. Not combat fans. Guys that will tell you Floyd Mayweather is "boring"
 
Sherdog posters for the most part are UFC fans. Not MMA fans. Not combat fans. Guys that will tell you Floyd Mayweather is "boring"

I don't think he is boring, but there is a lot of bullshit there too. Did the integrity of boxing matter to you when the 154 title was contested at a set weight of 152? We haven't seen anything like that in the UFC.

There is stupid shit all over combat sports to be honest. I am not so sure why people would expect the UFC to be so different.
 
I feel the same as you... UFC don't care very much about the sport of MMA, they made it clear that their goal is to produce entertainment. The business model leans too much toward the WWE model for me. I hope someday we'll see a real MMA pro league that let the sport evolve on it's own and not try to make it evolve the way someone planned it to be.

I know exactly what you are saying. I've compared it to WWE a few times on this forum and people get downright psychotic.
 
I know exactly what you are saying. I've compared it to WWE a few times on this forum and people get downright psychotic.

All of prizefighting is closer to WWE than popular sports. If you don't like that fine, but that is just how boxing, kickboxing and mma are and have been. The UFC could buck a tend in how prizefighting has always been, but they clearly are just not that promotion nor have they really ever been.
 
As for Dana White, I think he has done great things for the sport. That is not even debatable. However, I feel that he has reached his plateau several years ago and that it is time for a new face. Dana spread awareness and education, but now it is time for somebody to transition it from entertainment to sport.
 
You took a cheap shot without having evidence. Then you replied to me reiterating your point, again without evidence. I appreciate your civility but it feels disengenuous of you to make such scathing claims without evidence. This leads me to believe that there is no evidence, which means that instead of disliking the UFC for the bad things you know they do you dislike the UFC and therfore assume they do bad things.

Show me the evidence and consider me converted.

never said I dislike the ufc, I like their product a lot. I think it's entertaining as hell and more fun to watch then anything else on tv. But it's not going to be a major league sport anytime soon. I think I already covered that with the player union / public contract part.

as for the corruption part. Its an opinion, and no I dont have access to zuffa / nsac books and you know that as well as I do. I could be wrong, but I could also be right. I have the right to question what I see and use previous sport precedents and logic to arrive to my conclusion. I can't prove im right, but until all the numbers are out in the open (like with most ML sports), you can't prove im wrong since you lack the evidence as well.
 
Dana White has invented a new martial art called TVdo.

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The art of fighting attractively on tv, to elicit a full retard response from fans that promotes you in the popularity contest called "UFC" The Ultimate Farce Competition".

Best farcical, TVdo fighter wins the title shot, unless he isnt doing the martial art right, and bores the viewers,. In which case he loses and is cut.

Clay "The Carpenter" Guida would be Clay Guida the carpenter if it wasnt for the UFC. Can you describe for me a sustainable businesz model for an MMA promotion that meets your standards of integrity?
 
As for Dana White, I think he has done great things for the sport. That is not even debatable. However, I feel that he has reached his plateau several years ago and that it is time for a new face. Dana spread awareness and education, but now it is time for somebody to transition it from entertainment to sport.

I know hes a promoter blah blah blah thats what they do blah blah blah, but I feel the blatent lies he tells hinder progress. And how he takes his fights to the press to bury anyone.
 
I feel the same as you... UFC don't care very much about the sport of MMA, they made it clear that their goal is to produce entertainment. The business model leans too much toward the WWE model for me. I hope someday we'll see a real MMA pro league that let the sport evolve on it's own and not try to make it evolve the way someone planned it to be.

The problem is the sport will 'evolve' in accordance with the rules and judging as it is practiced. That's not less artificial than anyone else's directions. The unified rules were fine when they were regulating guys getting in the ring and cage trying to beat each other senseless. But over time they've become more and more guidelines for how to win on the cheap. I understand why the UFC wants to reward guys who ignore the 'safest path', but agree they go about it in an extremely clumsy manner. They should work with other orgs. on revising the rules (in particular the judging criteria), but they refuse due to the political difficulties, both in getting that accomplished across states and countries and I'm sure for other reasons I'm not aware of.
 
Since when had prize fighting ever had integrity? I'm not sure many fans understand what they're watching.
 
Because I've been training mma and a fan from the beginning, its hard not to care about the integrity of a sport I love. Luckily there are enough old school guys around that still care too
 
No idea what you mean by integrity of the sport...

Yes, I want legit competition, but its the fight business and its hard to stay relevant for a long period of time... therefore, I also want fun fights, older guys fighting older guys, guys coming in from other sports, freak show fights every once in a while, and less emphasis on weight.

Edit: Blue Belt... awwww sheeeet
 
Because I've been training mma and a fan from the beginning, its hard not to care about the integrity of a sport I love. Luckily there are enough old school guys around that still care too

Old school UFC was better when their main recruiting source was a reality show, most of the best fighters were in Pride, and Sylvia, Arlovski, Tito and Hughes were running shit.
 
Does the integrity of mma as a sport matter to you?

If not
Why waste your time watching mma , just watch pro wrestling.

If so
Are you a fan of a brand or a fan of the sport ?

Can you be a fan of both without conflict of interest ?

Also if you put the brand above sport , does that make you a fanboy , ignorant consumer just like fanboys from the console wars?


What would you do to improve mma as a sport ?

The integrity of the sport is basically held on the principle that the action is a real contest and not scripted. That is the only thing that matters as far as the integrity of the sport. For the whole time I've been on sherdog people have been complaining that this or that hurts the legitimacy of the sport, and things only continue to roll. If you find yourself legitimate questioning whether or not what's happening in the cage is real or not, then you have a valid concern.

I'm a fan of the NBA and NFL but don't necessarily follow college or most other levels of the sport. I couldn't care less if people think I'm a fanboy because of it
 
i would improve MMA by removing all non-whites

and banning all contact
 
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