Input or something that is a reoccuring problem

Discussion in 'Dieting / Supplement Discussion' started by Ian Coe, Apr 7, 2008.

  1. Ian Coe

    Ian Coe Silver Belt Professional Fighter

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    Right, I have a reoccuring problem that is really annoying.


    I was training hard in the mornings and you can see by my log everything was going smoothy. I've been lazy/ haven't trained as much as I should have in 2007 (due to this I think) and I was trying to fix this firstly on my own then reintroducing the thai when my base level fitness was high again.
    Now, after about 14 weeks of this (i think the most I had had off in one go was 2 days), I thought due to a bit of a flare up on my knee I'd back off and have a week off to recover and then I'd go back into it.

    1 week got rounded to 10 days...that was almost 2 weeks ago. Last week I went back into it, mon, tues and wed (HIIT work.....*cough*), but then got ill. I became woozy on the wed night, a temp on the thursday and friday and had the sweats and shakes sat and sun. I'm back at work today after taking about 15g of vit c over friday, saturday and sunday, but I'm trying to work out what I might be missing that might make me ill/reduce my immunity.
    From thursday-now I have a cold sore and 2 ulcers have developed on the inside of my mouth, plus leading up to wednesday I wasn't eating as much as I should have been due to lack of funds (breakfast was a couple of eggs, some spinach, some olive oil, some spinach, some feta cheese, some cold meat in a pitta, 11 am would be a bagel with peanut butter and honey, lunch veg [peas, broccoli, sweet corn] with meat [ie chicken, tuna steak etc] and after that I would have a mixture shake from the morning that would usually have spinach, milk, yoghurt and some kind of fruits like blueberries in it).

    It seems like whenever I get back into training, something along the way gets me and I have to basically build back up all over again and again and again (which is why I had 2007 mostly off because I got sick of it. I almost started to fear pushing myself because it might make me ill. That really has a serious blow to your confidence you know).
     
  2. Ziltoid

    Ziltoid In search for the Ultimate cup of Coffee

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    Bro...I had the same friggin problem in 2007 also up until now too basically. Ive had bullshit injuries here and there that stopped me from lifting as much as I can...getting sick...I got sick probably like 3-4 in 2007 for some reason...and mostly in the winter. I am waiting for myself to get 100% now and start all over again. It fuckin pisses me off big time. *Thought I share the same thought*
     
  3. Ian Coe

    Ian Coe Silver Belt Professional Fighter

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    I kept waiting until I was 100% but it just never seemed to come.
    Hence I started just after xmas and thought rain or shine I'm going to do it.

    edit- good luck healing up though mate. Its a real kicker when you're waiting around. Like I said it hits your confidence somewhat

    Its only after the rest I feel fucked.

    *Waits to see too fast too soon chorous*



    Does anyone know what ME is (if you have it in the US). I was disagnosed with that when I was like 12 if that has any baring (*cough*)
     
  4. Monger

    Monger Chronically Injured

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    Unfortunately, some times shit just happens. Since I know you're a smart guy when it comes to diet and training... there's not much to say. A solid diet with plenty of calories to recover from your workouts + a sensible training regimen with adequate recovery time is really all you can do.

    Are you sure you're getting enough calories for your training?

    Are you sure you're not hitting it too hard when starting again?

    I assume you're not cutting weight drastically.
     
  5. Ian Coe

    Ian Coe Silver Belt Professional Fighter

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    Yes....a smart guy.....:rolleyes:


    I'm one of those 'do as I say, not as I do people'.
    I took the lack of adaption and knee thing as a sign to take a break, but the sessions last week just have hit me for 6.

    I'm not on a drastic cut but my calories might have been a smidge low. But I wouldn't have thought 3 sessions on the trot, 2 being medium length sessions and 1 HIIT (the nail if you will) would have effected me so badly.


    As I said, this kind of thing keeps happening to me. Its why I was so slow to increase my workload in the beginning of this year.


    I was going to go for a run but I have a massive head ache, my chest is hurting just sitting here and I feel slightly woozy. So instead I'm going to *sigh* revise for a bit and eat copious amounts of vit c tabs
     
  6. Vedic

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    The knee thing can be worked with and around.

    What are the actual cals consumed? How is the fat intake?

    Supps, you taking any? Including herbs?
     
  7. Ian Coe

    Ian Coe Silver Belt Professional Fighter

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    The knee thing I've been advised (well.....that is the right word because it was the fellas in conditioning who have had similar experience) is ITB. It seems ok now (its had baring about 3 runs coming up to a month now...........god thats gone quick, I'm going to be crawling next time I try and run).

    I'm....umm......no really good when it comes to counting calories (ie I have never done it).
    I'd say breakfast is around 500 (it used to be more but I cut out the breakfast shake with the breakfast and started taking it later on in the day), 11's is around 300 (its a bagel with about a table spoon of peanut butter and about 1 1/2 teaspoons of honey all in all), lunch is around 400, the shake is around 400 which I have at about 17:00.
    Breakfast there is a decent amount of olive oil with the olives and feta cheese, I also have fish oil then (about standard dosed pills- 5-6) and about 5-6 when I get home from work (so about 18.30-19:00)

    Ok, even just guestimating thats not a lot of calories...........


    I was taking BA, CEE and cissus to help with the knee, but I haven't been. I did take some caffeine monday and tuesday gone and yohimbine and caffeine the day of the HIIT (wednesday)
     
  8. SteMc

    SteMc White Belt

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    Isnt ME like chronic fatigue? The mum of a lad i know had it, maybe that has something to do with it? I know when i get injured easily its becuase im not sleeping/resting enough
     
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    Your diet is hindering you. Its that simple man.
     
  10. Ian Coe

    Ian Coe Silver Belt Professional Fighter

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    Thats it


    Also, I've had it since I was 12. You can fight it quite easily if you have the right mind frame.
    The first 18 months though I was sleeping 14 hour days
     
  11. SteMc

    SteMc White Belt

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    grats for getting through that man, and i think i have it rough getting up at 6 to do cardio before college :D
     
  12. Ian Coe

    Ian Coe Silver Belt Professional Fighter

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    Unforunately funds are a issue, hence the lack of calories


    I probably knew it was that...but......I guess was looking for a alternative option to get me through (which probably come to think of it would cost more then the food).

    Who'd have thought you could be this poor at 25
     
  13. MikeMartial

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    x2. You HAVE to increase your PWO low-GI carb intake (and I'm not just talking about your PWO shake), and increase your overall dietary fat intake.

    www.fitday.com Start tracking those macros, bro. It's a pain in the ass, but do it for at LEAST a week; it'll give you an excellent idea of what you are and are not eating.
     
  14. Ian Coe

    Ian Coe Silver Belt Professional Fighter

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    When I was at uni I was pulling like 18 hours training (thai, lifting, skill work, sparring, running) on top of the physics course :redface:.


    I wish I could sleep for 9 hours a day now
     
  15. Ian Coe

    Ian Coe Silver Belt Professional Fighter

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    *sigh*


    LET IT BE DONE
     
  16. SteMc

    SteMc White Belt

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    lol that sounds like a perfect uni experience, i want to be doing that, cept with BJJ thrown in (and im including physics in that,,,yeah im sad, i know)
     
  17. Ian Coe

    Ian Coe Silver Belt Professional Fighter

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    I was doing Judo for about 6 months of the 2nd year with it


    NOTHING WRONG WITH PHYSICS


    SAY IT NOW AND SAY OUT PROUD


    *gets out sand timer*
     
  18. SteMc

    SteMc White Belt

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    yup i can go for a traingle and calculate refraction from air to glass! DOUBLE THREAT!
     
  19. SteMc

    SteMc White Belt

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    shame i cant spell triangle tho.....
     
  20. Monger

    Monger Chronically Injured

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    I see my assumption was wrong then :D

    There's never an alternative for a poor diet, man.
     

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