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Discussion in 'Standup Technique' started by shs101, May 18, 2014.

  1. shs101

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    Why isn't there much on the science of inside boxing skills??? I've decided to make a thread after a pro who was helping me and some guys out (not exactly a trainer but takes the roll of one whenever the coach isn't there) and he had up sparring just inside fighting (shoulder-shoulder,head-to head,etc) and from there. Def something that interests me in learning more and I figured I would see what everyone else thinks on here and making a thread of knowledge on the inside.

    what's stuff that changed your game, tricks and tips?
     
  2. Token7

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    good thread. even with the search function I agree compared to the other stuff on here I dont see much on tactics when you're already on the inside. fighting on the inside actually has a lot to do with subtle movements with your feet. its not just upper body position. ill come back and try to give some examples
     
  3. aries

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    It does seem to be a bit of a black art. Maybe because it's a pro boxing speciality rather than ammie so unless you have access to a pro gym then you won't find that info freely available? Coming from the UK we certainly seem to have less inside game than I see coming from american amateurs and the same again but even more so in the pro ranks.
     
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    what u mention shoulder to shoulder, head to head.. recently and now moving forward, ill be focusing on reinventing my game a littlebit.

    what i learnt is to sit on the back hip on the inside. what youll need to do though is bend ur knees and sit very sturdily and balanced on ur back hip if not u cant do anything. from there u have space to work and u can control someone who typically leans..
     
  5. Fire of Youth

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    In fighting is such a different game. You have to wrestle, maintain your balance whilst fighting for position/angles, stay covered in defence at all times, be ready to launch at virutally no notice, all whilst having very limited vision. Then take the guts required to take all those hits as you work yourway inside. I agree that there seems to be surprisingly little information on in-fighting. Saying that, I remember somebody posting a video of Ricky Hatton explaining how he would use lots of little controlling taps to open up someones guard so he could hit them hard. I can't look for it now but I may have a look for it later if I get the time.
     
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    no one else? this is a good topic......all about angles. and if taught PROPERLY uppercuts are very good on the inside (obviously) but there's specific ways to set them up and throw them.
     
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    TS, please don't make inane threads.
     
  8. Discipulus

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    That really is a big detail. Some things change, but one of the keys is to keep close to the same positioning as you would use on the outside. Angles and distance still matter on the inside--sometimes more than they do at range. It's a game of inches.

    I don't think it's wrong to lean, but it's definitely a risk/reward kind of thing, just like leaning forward at long range. You have to know that you are putting yourself in danger when you do it, and always realize when you're leaning.

    I love in-fighting, even though I suck at it.

    What's inane about it? I'm always up to discuss in-fighting. It's fascinating.
     
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    I remember a video where Ricky Hatton was saying that he learned his short (read: very short) right uppercut from watching Roberto Duran. Those are the kind of 6-to-12 punches that most people think of as uppercuts, but they're really designed for in-fighting only.

    For uppercuts to the body on the inside, watch both Floyd Jr. and Sr., and of course Mike McCallum. Floyd landed some beauties on Marcos Maidana.
     
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    The topic is ok, but i just take issue at TS with his BillYoung1991-like behaviors. In the past he often asked questions like this, with most of his thread not actually going anywhere substantial. Then he disappeared and now he come back with another waves. I suppose i will just be grateful that he isn't an outright troll like Bill is.
     
  11. Sinister

    Sinister Doctor of Doom Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Teaching fighting on the inside is a difficult task. You have to really understand what makes someone good at fighting on the inside, versus say...someone being a dirty inside fighter, or so strong no one can do much about what they do, or someone who just goes nuts without knowing specifically what they're doing. A good inside fighter considers these things, and knows how to neutralize all of them.

    Balance and positioning are two of the most important aspects. You have to know how to hit without necessarily putting all your weight on the other guy and depending on him for balance. You have to be aware of how being in or out of position makes you vulnerable. You have to know how to "hide" on the inside. I don't mind posting these in this thread, because they've all been posted in other threads. But here's some of the ways we train this area:







    You also have to learn how to use all of the training apparatus at the different distances. Hitting bags at close range, hitting the double-end bag at close range, that also takes a long time to learn how to do properly. But the above drills allow them to practice on live bodies, and they're fun.
     
  12. Discipulus

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    Do you wrap all of these guys' hands, Lu? I just realized that all six of your fighters have professional-looking tape jobs there. How long does that take?
     
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    Sinister Doctor of Doom Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Jaja, hell naw. They're not babies, I don't put their socks on, either.

    It's funny because I can always tell a guy's experience, or dependency on their trainer by how they put on their sparring gear, too. If the headgear goes on first, then the gloves...then they ask me to put the cup on, I tell them to take it all off and teach them how to dress properly.
     
  14. Discipulus

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    So wait, they all tape their own hands, with the knuckle pad and everything? I've never had a professional wrap job, so I didn't even know that was possible. Of course I wrap my own hands, but none of them look to be wearing standard, reusable wraps.

    Edit: "Put my cup on" sounds like the ultimate power play, by the way. You NEVER put on another man's cup.
     
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    Sinister Doctor of Doom Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Oh they'd never say that, they just have confused looks on their faces. They also do the cup, gloves, then can't put the headgear on.

    And they are using re-usable wraps, and they're not taped. They just know how to wrap them well.
     
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    Ah. I was thrown off by the knuckle pads. I've never seen those used in conjunction with reusable wraps. I'll have to ask you about your wrapping method, as I suspect it's superior to my own.
     
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    Awesome thread on wrapping hands.
     
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    This is an awesome can of worms he's opened. Where do y'all hold your hands for the most protection versus the most vision? If you have earmuffs how do you deal with attacks up the middle? When is it time to go to the body? I could read opinions and experience on this kind of stuff for days.
     
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    This thread is nothing like x100Bill's threads. He's identified a huge gap in the forum and tried to give it some floor space.
     
  20. Nuclearlandmine

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    Meh, if you look at his thread history his tend to ask really really general, inane questions all over the sub forum and most, if not all of his thread never make it out of the first page. Now this thread had sign of life, which is good. But i'm getting annoyed with the fact that all of his questions can be solved if he just fucking lurk, and maybe condense his question to be more specific.

    But now i'm just rambling. Carry on.
     

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