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Incompetent judges brought down the UFC's greatest fighter ever

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  1. cburm

    cburm Green Belt

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    Grijswaarde Black Belt

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    No idea if it's because of the MM fight, but damage should ALWAYS > position imo.

    Seriously, fuck position.
     
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    Soul On Ice Arguably Never Lost

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    Looking up stats to determine who won needs to stop

    DC even pointed out how inaccurate the fight stats were during the fight.
     
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    dawnignited Thug Rose, Thug Rose, Thug Rose

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    The guy who wrote that article sounds like he's probably one of Mighty Mouse's Twitch groupies.
     
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    Grijswaarde Black Belt

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    It's basically just someone like you or me trying to figure out whether or not a punch landed and pushing a button. If you try it you'll find out it is almost impossible.
     
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    markg171 Silver Belt

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    People have a weird obsession with trying to downplay takedowns. You cannot just pretend they never happened and score the round without them.
     
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    beefcake180 Aces Wild

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    No but you shouldn't act like 1 minute of putting someone on his back and doing no damage outweighs getting kicked in the leg for 4 minutes just because it happened at the end of the round
     
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    loisestrad Gold Belt Platinum Member

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    Maybe MM should have avoided those takedowns? It wasn't that he wanted to be on the ground.
     
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    oldschoolmmafan PEOPLE=SHIT

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    We need competent judges... or they will cause the death of this sport.
     
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    randomg1t EVERYTIME CHAMPION

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    no one is pretending they never happened, but a lot of people somehow assume that taking your opponent down means you won the round. it isn't a wrestling match, it's a fight. if you take someone down and don't punch them, don't pass their guard, don't threaten with submissions... how is that different than clinching them up in the standup?

    it isn't irrelevant, but it shouldn't be more relevant than doing damage or coming close to a finish.
     
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    Rewarding damage over position would drastically change the sport. It would change what kind of preparation is needed, what kind of fight background and physical attributes are most ideal, what kind of training partners and instructors are most ideal, everything. It would lead to a sort of Jiu Jitsu, ground game and kickboxing hybrid really taking over the wrestler and pressure fighter mix as the most ideal base for which to form MMA champions.

    If your BJJ and overall ground skills were particularly high, it would drastically reduce the threat of takedowns since simply being in the bottom position would be much less likely to be viewed as losing the fight. That would also mean those fighters would be able to strike without the fear of being brought to the ground they would otherwise have. This could effectively end American wrestling dominance in MMA as we now know it.
     
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    I'm not sure it's all about his TD's.

    I mean, while DJ obviously landed more it was probably like 50% leg kicks.

    Cejudo landed harder shots to the head and body IMO, and that's probably why he won the round with his TD's.
     
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    The bias in that article is so strong. Everywhere you look people are talking about what a close fight it was, and this article frames it up like it was a no-brainer that MM should have won and the judges screwed him.
     
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    "Johnson, despite out-striking his opponent 121-80 (including a 81-51 advantage in significant strikes), lost in a split decision to Henry Cejudo at UFC 227 in Los Angeles."

    even if those stats are accurate, it does not matter. the fight was judged round by round.

    i personally favor eliminating rounds and just go 15 or 25 minutes straight. then you need only judge the fight as a whole.
     
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    Imo a takedown should be judged as a good punch to the face. That's it. You change position, but the real points should be scored after you make use of that position.
     
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    Obviously not exact 100% of the time, but as a general rule of thumb you can use the below to score fights in MMA:

    If the fight was on the feet for 3 minutes and on the ground for 2, the person who won the standup probably won the round.
    If the fight was on the ground for 3 minutes and the feet for 2, the person who won the ground probably won the round.
     
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    DrunkMonkMeth Brown Belt

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    No he was saying that takedowns we dont count in mma are takedowns in wrestling and should count.
     
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    Talk about a clickbait title. What does this clearly biased POS article have to do with the UFC changing the rules? Especially when the UFC doesn't make or enforce the rules.
     
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  19. ohayou gozaimasu

    ohayou gozaimasu #MOMCHAMP Yellow Card

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    PRIDE never dies?
     
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  20. Taric

    Taric Gold Belt

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    You should score points for each individual positional improvement, but one takedown with zero guard passes is only one positional improvement.
    I think that's what judges fail to understand.
     
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