In court filing, UFC doubles down to keep fighter salaries a secret

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  1. Son Peyote

    Son Peyote ★★★★★★★★

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    Q: "Why do you guys care about what fighters are paid?"

    A: "The talent pool in prize fighting is directly proportional to the prize"

    Source: https://mmajunkie.com/2018/08/in-court-filing-ufc-doubles-down-to-keep-fighter-salaries-a-secret



    Without the Ali Act, there can never be an open marketplace in MMA. There can't be a billionaire in MMA with the UFC's revenue splits. The biggest draws in MMA should be able to go to purse bids with different promoters & maximize their wages. The longevity of the fighters would add longevity to the sport.

    Some MMA fans seem to hate the boxing structure, without realizing that most of their complaints about the UFC would be addressed (fighter pay, independent rankings, independent championship bodies, mandatories etc.) under the expansion of the Ali Act into MMA. What's good for the fighters is what will sustain the sport long term. Dana said he will continue their predatory """win bonus""" structure because the UFC doesn't have enough money to pay fighters their full contract. Meanwhile they're building a new performance institute in China FFS

    I'd like to hear @FrankieNYC thoughts on this situation & if he sees any negatives in expanding the Ali Act into MMA

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    I know the majority don't care about fighter wages / revenue splits / PPVs etc but it's pretty surreal to see the UFC's lawyers admitting that they don't want fighters to negotiate better contracts for themselves by knowing what others make:

     
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  2. Mr.Maelstrom

    Mr.Maelstrom Paegan Terrorism Tactics '96 you tricks

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    Awesome, thanks for posting SP
     
  3. FireKidWS

    FireKidWS TheMeanStreets

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    Isn’t fighter pay always disclosed after each card?
     
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    FrankieNYC See you on the other side! Platinum Member

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    Great post & thanks for tagging me

    my thoughts:
    • We know the over-all pay from 2015/16 (13-17%) from UFC creditor filings & sale presentation. That is obviously lower than it could/should be. But UFC seems to look at WWE when its suits them & that is double WWE's pay %.
    • The Ali Act needs to be adapted to MMA & UFC in particular. It could make it better or worse for fans. Tough to judge without knowing exactly what might be implemented & how it will change things.
    • What shocks me is the fact that they cannot even get 30% of fighters to sign an anonymous card, just to look into things further. That amazes me. If 30% sign, they could still vote 'no' to a union or oust Leslie smith (whom a lot are not behind. I don't get avoiding info that can help your own brand & lively-hood.

    Great share man
     
  5. FrankieNYC

    FrankieNYC See you on the other side! Platinum Member

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    No ... AC reported pay is a very small % of what fighters actually get
     
  6. AimedWithV

    AimedWithV Wound in the Force

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    Undisclosed behind-the-scenes bonuses? Or what else?
     
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    FireKidWS TheMeanStreets

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    Are you saying the ufc pays fighters for camps? I’ve never heard this before.
     
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    Common practice when one party holds all the power. Greed is the ultimate motive.
     
  9. Son Peyote

    Son Peyote ★★★★★★★★

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    It varies. Some states require public disclosure. Nevada only releases if requested.

    I know the majority don't care about fighter wages / revenue splits / PPVs etc but it's pretty surreal to see the UFC's lawyers admitting that they don't want fighters to negotiate better contracts for themselves by knowing what others make:

    Thanks for chiming in @FrankieNYC you always have great insight

    Have they claimed this in court? Surely there's a legal differentiation between choreographed dancing & prize fighting.

    I know some fighters were against a union outright (Fitch, Couture etc.) and wanted an association & to expand the Ali Act into MMA. I remember reading arguments against the expansion (besides the usual) but can't seem to find them.

    It's bizarre. The only reason I can imagine is that the UFC is very punitive with people who take a stand against them.
     
  10. FrankieNYC

    FrankieNYC See you on the other side! Platinum Member

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    No I never said anything close to that
    But what gets reported to commissions is rarely accurate as far as full pay
    There are signing bonuses, appearance fees, PPV points, etc & etc
     
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    FrankieNYC See you on the other side! Platinum Member

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    You mean comparisons to WWE?
    No, there was no reason or purpose.

    I'm just saying in the past Lorenzo admitted he took the WWE business model but paid better.
     
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    FrankieNYC See you on the other side! Platinum Member

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    GSP, Cowboy, Cain, TJ all tried a Union affiliation & UFC didn't act negative toward them.
    Raging Al is a huge detractor & got a title shot recently.

    So there really is no history outside of Leslie
     
  13. LouisBolanos

    LouisBolanos Popcorn tastes good

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    Lucas Middlebrook is so salty and desperate on Twitter since he can't get the 30% signature. He's bitching every opportunity he gets and tagging all his fellow haters, just like Robin Black did when he was trying to get a job with the UFC. LOVE IT! Good luck getting support for your cause when your brand is weaponized salt and a fighter who dropped out of high school.
     
  14. AimedWithV

    AimedWithV Wound in the Force

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    They actually kinda did.
    Dana publicly shamed Cerrone for being not loyal after UFC paid for his surgeries.
    He did it more diplomatically, but the message was sent and Cerrone backed off pretty quickly.

    I'm sure that others have got their mouth shut with money as well.
     
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    FrankieNYC See you on the other side! Platinum Member

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    The fight night bonuses are a smaller part since the sale
    There are signing bonuses, appearance fees, PPV points, etc & etc
     
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    FrankieNYC See you on the other side! Platinum Member

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    If Leslie did not ask fans & fighters to "GoFundMe" they might have hit 30%
    After UFC paid her for not fighting, she asked others for donations ... dumb political & public relations move.
    Turned a lot off (to her)
     
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    FireKidWS TheMeanStreets

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    Weaponized salt < weaponized autism
     
  18. AimedWithV

    AimedWithV Wound in the Force

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    Yep. Basically "Gofundme" usually associates with "miserable situation".
    This is not a way to sell potentially powerful movement. Or a healthy fighter.
     
  19. FrankieNYC

    FrankieNYC See you on the other side! Platinum Member

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    Dana talks 24/7, that is far from "retaliation" of any sort
    I don't see GSP & cain being "bought" with hush money ... that is silly.
    UFC would be fucked for doing that & both Cain & GSP are not pussies (as we seen)
     
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    Lmao classic Lorenzo

    Fair point but some of that def has to do with the UFC needing to fill in shows / dropouts etc. IDK how to quantify whether or not opportunities were granted or denied without more data.

    I do know that everyone has had public financial spats with Dana besides Cain.

    Could there be backstage strong arming? I can't understand it at all then

    Leslie earned a lot of negative press with her gofundme IMO

    Does this lawyer have a history of going after the UFC? IDK his history

    Robin Black meltdowns are absolutely hilarious.
     
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