Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by anthony stark, Aug 9, 2015.
for some reason I can't post a video of bj penn. thanks
Best failure to launch eva.
The prodiddy, the projeddy, the prodigy.
I miss B.J Penn best Lightweight of all time in my opinion.
Solid early sherdog shoop into a tmnt as well
BJ held on longer to a more dangerous submission against Pulver than Palhares did to Shields
Penn was incredibly pissed that Pulver had gotten a decision win 5 years earlier.
BJ not only held on to the submission, he refused to submit Jens earlier in the round just so he could continue beating him up. At one point he has an arm bar and just let's it go and mounts Jens again.
In one interview, Jens said he rolled over to give Penn his back for the rear naked choke and Penn refused to take it. And Jens said something like, "Oh, it's gonna be that kind of fight, huh? Okay then." And rolled back over for his beating.
Love me some Penn.
Definitely debatable whether or not a rear naked choke is more dangerous.
watching that highlight, gotta give BJ props, a really killer in the ring/ufc a finisher especially on the ground. He tried to take out GSP! Twice! still the greatest lightweight so far. He always showed up to fight, he took some very questionable fights at then end. the guy has 10 losses but FE 3X GSP 2X and Lyoto are tough matchups, and the welterweight Diaz / Rory were not good ones to take.
I'll always wonder what BJ could have accomplished if he had consistently given his all. Truly an amazing fighter.
Part of me wishes BJ would have avoided the matches at higher weight classes, but he wouldn't have been who he was if he hadn't.
Nothing worse than a prodigy who wastes his talent by refusing to work hard.
you're tripping. Kimura is one of the most dangerous submissions, in terms of doing irreparable damage in a very short time.
if i had to rank common submissions in terms of "danger":
1. spine lock (twister, neck crank)
2. knee lock (heel hook / knee bar)
3. shoulder lock (Kimura / Americana)
chokes aren't very dangerous at all, in an mma setting. they don't do irreparable damage and they mostly dont even cause pain
I think he just meant more dangerous in general, not in an MMA setting. You can kill someone with a choke if you hold it long enough. You can't kill someone with any of the other submissions. Maybe you could kill with some sort of crank, but that's it.
oh, you mean "on the street"
yah i would rather have my shoulder broken than be choked to death.
but i'm referring to mma.
look at it this way... in jiu jitsu when you learn the kimura they say "be careful when you practice this because its really dangerous". They dont say that when you learn chokes.
hence, Palhares cranking the kimura is much more unsportsmanlike than BJ holding a choke for a few seconds too long.
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