Immigration: What do you think and which candidate do you agree with most?

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  1. Kafir-kun

    Kafir-kun Autocratic Centrist

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    Trump has sparked talk about immigration but really most of the talk has been about Trump himself, mostly overshadowing the other candidates positions and the debate as a whole.

    I'm curious as to what the WR thinks so what say you?
     
  2. Jjunk

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    We need more immigration threads
     
  3. LogicalInsanity

    LogicalInsanity Co-Founder of SDLS (Sexual Deviant Leftist Scum)

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    no politician, Republican or Democrat that has sat in the oval office has been serious about "securing the border."

    The fix is clearly in. The border is meant to be porous. You'll have many politicians talk about "tough borders" and talks about these policies but in the end they'll do nothing.

    Even GWB with a majority in both houses did nothing.

    Like Michael Savage said, "Clinton may have opened the doors to illegals, but Bush jr took the door off the hinges.

    Trump, despite his far fetched idea has finally broached a serious conversation on the matter. Nobody ever has had the balls to say what he has about our border situation and illegal problem...
     
  4. panamaican

    panamaican Senior Moderator Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    I don't know which candidate I agree with because I haven't heard anything that I agree with.

    We have to put a stop to illegal immigration. We have to enforce the existing laws regarding the illegals we do have. We probably need some new laws to deal with the real difficulties surrounding the sheer numbers of illegal aliens. We need to streamline the existing system.

    But I think that's such a broad series of points that even I couldn't hold myself to details.
     
  5. Kafir-kun

    Kafir-kun Autocratic Centrist

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    So what is the solution? Trump has hardly been specific, all he's said is "its a bout management".
     
  6. Jack V Savage

    Jack V Savage Secretary of Keepin' It Real/Nicest Guy on Sherdog

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    The total number of unauthorized immigrants in America has actually dropped by 1 million since 2007.
     
  7. Mike Armyquitte

    Mike Armyquitte Banned Banned

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    If we gut the military to pieces, we'd be in much better economic shape, so scapegoating problems on illegals would be less of a past time. Make America welcoming and strong, people will join the military for love and not for a pension, salary, or benefits
     
  8. oldshadow

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    1. Secure the border

    2. Make it a 10,000. dollar a day for every day for anyone hiring anyone they know to be in the country illegally.

    Then we can talk about the ones already here. Some can stay under certain conditions and other get sent back to where they came from.
     
  9. Zankou

    Zankou Bringing peace and love Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    This is true, and reflects the fact that there is essentially zero enforcement, de facto, with the process driven entirely by economic factors rather than law. As labor demand rises, more immigration comes in. As it subsides, the reverse happens. It's like a sort of cross-border labor lung.

    The truth of the matter is that nobody is allowed a say in whether we enforce the laws anymore, the Feds have defaulted, and so the immigration debate devolves into histrionic symbolism but no actual productive political action.

    Being a pragmatist, I take the position that we recognize that we have open borders, and that's not going to change ... the Feds simply will never enforce the laws in a meaningful manner, and they will aggressively block any state efforts to do so. So we should focus on the more important question, which is how we structure the provision of social services in an environment which has de facto free immigration. This is really the only serious question, how you create what amounts to 'tiered citizenship,' the rest is political posing. That's how you get things like this:

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  10. Denter

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    Always the army with you, give it a rest bro.
     
  11. LogicalError

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    Saying gut the military and make us strong in the same sentence seems a contradiction
     
  12. Toothless King

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    Probably had to do with the recession.
     
  13. Jack V Savage

    Jack V Savage Secretary of Keepin' It Real/Nicest Guy on Sherdog

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    Well, the enforcement budget is up 75% in real terms over the last decade, and the number of agents has doubled. That's likely a factor in the reduction. But economics would be a bigger factor. The point is that it's all much ado about nothing. The real immigration problem (aside from our excessively low level of immigration) is that we already have something like your vile "tiered citizenship" idea so we need to offer a path to citizenship for the folks who are already here.

    Sure. Whatever the cause, it's not a real problem. It's a victimless crime (actually benefits the nation) that not many people are committing.
     
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  14. Mike Armyquitte

    Mike Armyquitte Banned Banned

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    Not specifically the Army, our military in general. It's the cause of most of our problems. We spend way too much on it and use it for purposes not originally intended.
     
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    Living in a foreign country without authorization is a victimless crime?
     
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    Make all illegals in your country legal provided they have never been charged with anything or previously deported or have committed any crimes in their previous country. Deport the rest who have criminal connections or records.

    Make the boarder wall and defend it from future illegal immigrants.
     
  17. Toothless King

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    We already have a wall and border patrol agents on u.s./Mexico border.

    Don't you think making all the illegal aliens to become legal is only encourage more illegals to cross the border? I mean, you don't punish a crime by rewarding for the crime.
     
  18. Jack V Savage

    Jack V Savage Secretary of Keepin' It Real/Nicest Guy on Sherdog

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    That's what I said.
     
  19. ALAN PARTRIDGE

    ALAN PARTRIDGE NO LONGER REGISTERED

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    But now a swarm of them :)
     
  20. Toothless King

    Toothless King Brown Belt

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    Then what's the point of INA law, billion dollars wall, border patrol agents, etc.

    Just make U.S. an open border country if illegal immigration is a victimless crime
     

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